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General criticisms: Summary page Early Smith history Joined other churches? Unsure of God in 1823? Early understanding of God All wrong? Details added over time? No ref in 1830s? Fabricated to bolster authority? Changed by 1838 apostasy? Without priesthood can't see God? 1838 Account: 1820 Revival? "It commenced with the Methodists" 1835 Account: Personages were angels? 1832 Account: No new dispensation? Different age? Different motivation? No persecution? No revival? Not forbidden to convert? Wicked destroyed? Only one Deity? In heaven or earth? Unconditional salvation? Struggle with Satan? Others' accounts: George Q. Cannon Cowdery version of 1834-5? Orson Hyde Andrew Jenson Heber C. Kimball\| Orson Pratt George A. Smith Lucy Mack Smith Orson Spencer John Taylor Brigham never spoke of 1st vision? Brigham claimed an angel? Seldom published pre-1877 (short) (long) LDS Father/Son pre-1838? Non-LDS pre-1843? Other criticisms: D&C 121:28 Father: Spirit vs. Embodied Nephi or Moroni in 1823? A "spirit" visited Joseph in 1827? Personages seen by Joseph
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 *[[First_Vision_accounts|Summary page]]
 **[[Early Smith family history|Early Smith history]]
-**[[Religious_revivals_in_1820|1820 Revival]]
 **[[Joseph Smith joined other churches|Joined other churches?]]
 **[[Joseph_Smith_did_not_know_if_God_existed_in_1823|Unsure of God in 1823?]]
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 **[[Contradiction_about_knowing_all_churches_were_wrong|All wrong?]]
 **[[First_Vision_story_became_more_detailed_and_colorful_after_1832%3F|Details added over time?]]
-**[[The "Angels" of the 1835 account|Personages were angels?]]
 **[[No_reference_to_First_Vision_in_1830s_publications%3F|No ref in 1830s?]]
 **[[First_Vision_fabricated_to_give_%22Godly_authority%22|Fabricated to bolster<br>authority?]]
 **[[1838_account_modified_to_offset_leadership_crisis%3F|Changed by 1838 apostasy?]]
 **[[D%26C_84_says_God_not_seen_without_priesthood%3F|Without priesthood<br> can't see God?]]
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+Account:
+*[[Religious_revivals_in_1820|1820 Revival?]]
+*[[First Vision/Methodist camp meetings|"It commenced with the Methodists"]]
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+Account:
+*[[The "Angels" of the 1835 account|Personages were angels?]]
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