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La crítica del mormonismo/Documentos en línea/Carta a un Director del SEI/Inquietudes y Preguntas del Testimonio y Testigo Espiritual
Respuesta a "Inquietudes y Preguntas del Testimonio/Testigo Espiritual"
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- "Cada gran religión tiene miembros que afirman lo mismo: Dios o el espíritu de Dios dio testimonio a ellos de que su religión"
- "Si el método de Dios para revelar la verdad es a través de los sentimientos, entonces es un método muy ineficaz"
- "José Smith recibió una revelación, a través de la piedra vidente en su sombrero, para enviar a Hiram Page y Oliver Cowdery a Toronto, Canadá con el único propósito de vender los derechos de autor del Libro de Mormón"
- "veía un testimonio como algo más que las experiencias espirituales y sentimientos. Veía que teníamos evidencia y lógica de nuestra parte basado en la narrativa correlacionada que la Iglesia me alimentaba acerca de sus orígenes"
Paul H. Dunn
- "un testimonio se adquiere cuando el mismo se comparte"
- "¿Cómo se supone que deben saber si realmente tienes un testimonio del mormonismo?"
- "Yo sentí que el Espíritu viendo 'Rescatando al soldado Ryan' y la 'Lista de Schindler'. Las dos películas clasificadas C y terriblemente violentas. También sentí el Espíritu viendo 'Forrest Gump' y el 'Rey León'"
- "¿Por qué sentí el Espíritu al escuchar las historias de los apóstatas que compartían cómo descubrieron por sí mismos que el mormonismo no era cierto?"
"Cada gran religión tiene miembros que afirman lo mismo: Dios o el espíritu de Dios dio testimonio a ellos de que su religión"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"Every major religion has members who claim the same thing: God or God’s spirit bore witness to them that their religion, prophet/pope/leaders, book(s), and teachings are true.
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it would likewise be arrogant of a Latter-day Saint to deny their spiritual experiences and testimonies of the truthfulness of their own religion"
"Every major religion has members who claim the same thing: God or God’s spirit bore witness to them that their religion, prophet/pope/leaders, book(s), and teachings are true.
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it would likewise be arrogant of a Latter-day Saint to deny their spiritual experiences and testimonies of the truthfulness of their own religion"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Mormonism and other religions/Spiritual witnesses
"Si el método de Dios para revelar la verdad es a través de los sentimientos, entonces es un método muy ineficaz"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"If God’s method to revealing truth is through feelings, it’s a pretty ineffective method,"
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"how can they be sure of the reliability of this same exact process in telling them that Mormonism is true?"
"If God’s method to revealing truth is through feelings, it’s a pretty ineffective method,"
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"how can they be sure of the reliability of this same exact process in telling them that Mormonism is true?"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Holy Ghost/Burning in the bosom
"José Smith recibió una revelación, a través de la piedra vidente en su sombrero, para enviar a Hiram Page y Oliver Cowdery a Toronto, Canadá con el único propósito de vender los derechos de autor del Libro de Mormón"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"Joseph Smith received a revelation, through the peep stone in his hat, to send Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery to Toronto, Canada for the sole purpose of selling the copyright of the Book of Mormon. . . . The mission failed and the prophet was asked why his revelation was wrong.Joseph decided to inquire of the Lord regarding the question. The following is a quote from Book of Mormon witness David Whitmer’s testimony:“…and behold the following revelation came through the stone: ‘Some revelations are of God; and some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.’ So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right was not of God, but was of the devil or of the heart of man.” – David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, p.3. How are we supposed to know what revelations are from God, from the devil, or from the heart of man if even the Prophet Joseph Smith couldn’t tell? What kind of a god and method is this if Heavenly Father allows Satan to interfere with our direct line of communication to Him?"
"Joseph Smith received a revelation, through the peep stone in his hat, to send Hiram Page and Oliver Cowdery to Toronto, Canada for the sole purpose of selling the copyright of the Book of Mormon. . . . The mission failed and the prophet was asked why his revelation was wrong.Joseph decided to inquire of the Lord regarding the question. The following is a quote from Book of Mormon witness David Whitmer’s testimony:“…and behold the following revelation came through the stone: ‘Some revelations are of God; and some revelations are of man: and some revelations are of the devil.’ So we see that the revelation to go to Toronto and sell the copy-right was not of God, but was of the devil or of the heart of man.” – David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, p.3. How are we supposed to know what revelations are from God, from the devil, or from the heart of man if even the Prophet Joseph Smith couldn’t tell? What kind of a god and method is this if Heavenly Father allows Satan to interfere with our direct line of communication to Him?"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Book of Mormon/Attempt to sell copyright
"veía un testimonio como algo más que las experiencias espirituales y sentimientos. Veía que teníamos evidencia y lógica de nuestra parte basado en la narrativa correlacionada que la Iglesia me alimentaba acerca de sus orígenes"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Testimony of the gospel/Just a set of feelings
Paul H. Dunn
Respuesta de FairMormon
Mormonism and church leadership/Criticisms/Paul H. Dunn's baseball and war stories
"un testimonio se adquiere cuando el mismo se comparte"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"[Boyd K. Packer said] "How can I bear testimony until I get one? How can I testify that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, and that the gospel is true? If I do not have such a testimony, would that not be dishonest?’ Oh, if I could teach you this one principle: a testimony is to be found in the bearing of it!"
– Boyd K. Packer, The Quest for Spiritual Knowledge.
How is this honest? How is this ethical? What kind of advice are these Apostles giving when they’re telling you that if you don’t have a testimony, bear one anyway? How is this not lying? There’s a difference between saying you know something and you believe something. What about members and investigators who are on the other side listening to your 'testimony'? How are they supposed to know whether you actually do have a testimony of Mormonism or if you’re just following Packer and Oaks’ advice and you’re lying your way into one?"
"[Boyd K. Packer said] "How can I bear testimony until I get one? How can I testify that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, and that the gospel is true? If I do not have such a testimony, would that not be dishonest?’ Oh, if I could teach you this one principle: a testimony is to be found in the bearing of it!"
– Boyd K. Packer, The Quest for Spiritual Knowledge.
How is this honest? How is this ethical? What kind of advice are these Apostles giving when they’re telling you that if you don’t have a testimony, bear one anyway? How is this not lying? There’s a difference between saying you know something and you believe something. What about members and investigators who are on the other side listening to your 'testimony'? How are they supposed to know whether you actually do have a testimony of Mormonism or if you’re just following Packer and Oaks’ advice and you’re lying your way into one?"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Boyd K. Packer/"A testimony is to be found in the bearing of it"
"¿Cómo se supone que deben saber si realmente tienes un testimonio del mormonismo?"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"if individuals can be so convinced that they’re being led by the Spirit but yet be so wrong about what the Spirit tells them, how can they be sure of the reliability of this same exact process in telling them that Mormonism is true?"
"if individuals can be so convinced that they’re being led by the Spirit but yet be so wrong about what the Spirit tells them, how can they be sure of the reliability of this same exact process in telling them that Mormonism is true?"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Book of Mormon/Moroni's promise
"Yo sentí que el Espíritu viendo 'Rescatando al soldado Ryan' y la 'Lista de Schindler'. Las dos películas clasificadas C y terriblemente violentas. También sentí el Espíritu viendo 'Forrest Gump' y el 'Rey León'"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"I felt the Spirit watching 'Saving Private Ryan' and the 'Schindler’s List'. Both R-rated and horribly violent movies. I also felt the Spirit watching 'Forrest Gump' and the 'Lion King'."
"I felt the Spirit watching 'Saving Private Ryan' and the 'Schindler’s List'. Both R-rated and horribly violent movies. I also felt the Spirit watching 'Forrest Gump' and the 'Lion King'."
Respuesta de FairMormon
Holy Ghost/Feeling "the spirit" while watching movies
"¿Por qué sentí el Espíritu al escuchar las historias de los apóstatas que compartían cómo descubrieron por sí mismos que el mormonismo no era cierto?"
La "Carta a un Director del SEI" dice:
"Why did I feel the Spirit as I listened to the stories of apostates sharing how they discovered for themselves that Mormonism is not true?"
"Why did I feel the Spirit as I listened to the stories of apostates sharing how they discovered for themselves that Mormonism is not true?"
Respuesta de FairMormon
Holy Ghost/"Feeling the spirit" while listening to ex-Mormon exit stories