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180
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- The author's claim is false: Those who receive baptism for the dead are not "baptized into the faith." Members believe that non-members are thereby given the ability to accept or reject the gospel when they hear it. Baptism for the dead does not make them "Mormons."
- Most Mormons have had their ancestors posthumously "baptized into the Mormon faith."
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181
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- FARMS has downplayed the potential of James Sorenson's "global molecular geneaology project."
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- The author needs to provide actual evidence of this claim.
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181
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- The Molecular Genealogy Foundation may reveal disconcerting "surprises" in LDS family trees that trace back to "well known polygamists" in the early church.
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- Author's opinion that the project may reveal embarrassing information about the descendants of Joseph Smith and other Church leaders through plural wives.
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184
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- The Indian Student Placement Program was an attempt to turn them "white and delightsome."
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- Thomas Murphy, doctoral thesis.
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184
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- "Mormon folklore" claims that Native Americans and Polynesians carry a curse based upon "misdeeds on the part of their ancestors."
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- Thomas W. Murphy and Simon G. Southerton. 2003. "Genetic Research: A 'Galileo Event' for Mormons," Anthropology News, 44:20.
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185
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- LDS scholars experienced in DNA research have spoken only to Mormon audiences.
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- The author's claim is false
- Absurd claim: one LDS author on DNA matters is John Butler, an internationally recognized expert in the use of forensic DNA—he literally wrote the textbook used by law enforcement on this matter. Butler has spoken to many audiences about DNA matters.
- John M. Butler, "A Few Thoughts From a Believing DNA Scientist," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 12/1 (2003). [36–37] link
- John M. Butler, "Addressing Questions surrounding the Book of Mormon and DNA Research," FARMS Review 18/1 (2006): 101–108. off-site wiki
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- Scott R. Woodward, "DNA and the Book of Mormon," FAIR. (2001)
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185-186
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- In response to the DNA issue, the Church linked to an article written by Jeff Lindsey, "a chemical engineer with no professional training in DNA research."
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- This is classic ad hominem. What matters are not Lindsey's credentials, but whether his argument is accurate. The author never engages Lindsay's evidence or argument; he simply treats it as unworthy of attention.
- Ironically, the author of the book here under review has no professional training in population genetics (he is a plant biologist), and yet he expects us to accept his assessment.
- Book of Mormon and DNA evidence
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186
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- LDS scientists have responded to DNA findings by claiming that it would be improbable to find evidence of an Israelite presence in the Americas.
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- The author has actually elsewhere expressed his agreement with this claim, noting that LDS scientists have argued that "Bottleneck effect, genetic drift, Hardy-Weinberg violations and other technical problems would prevent us from detecting Israelite genes [in Amerindians]. I agree entirely. In 600 BC there were probably several million American Indians living in the Americas. If a small group of Israelites entered such a massive native population it would be very, very hard to detect their genes 200, 2000 or even 20,000 years later."[3]
- Interestingly, this admission was later removed from the website of Southerton's publisher. Southerton goes on to argue that the Book of Mormon "doesn't say this," but as we've noted some leaders and scholars have been reading the text that way for at least a century. The author even admits as much on p. 154.
- So, this attack works only if one reads the text in the most naive, ill-informed way possible—as the author seems determined to do.
- Book of Mormon and DNA evidence
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186
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- LDS writers claim that the presence of other people in the Americas actually supports "careful readings of the Book of Mormon."
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- Daniel C. Peterson, "Editor's Introduction," FARMS Review 15/2 (2003): ix–lxii. off-site
- Matthew Roper, "Nephi's Neighbors: Book of Mormon Peoples and Pre-Columbian Populations," FARMS Review 15/2 (2003): 91–128. off-site
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186
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- LDS scholars "have come to the conclusion" that Book of Mormon populations comprised a very small part of a much larger group of people on the continent.
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- Daniel C. Peterson, "Editor's Introduction," FARMS Review 15/2 (2003): ix–lxii. off-site
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187
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- LDS suggest that it would impossible to use DNA technology to identify a small local colony of individuals.
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- D. Jeffrey Meldrum and Trent D. Stephens, "Who Are the Children of Lehi?," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 12/1 (2003). [38–51] link
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188
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- The author claims that it is not likely that "founders effect" or "genetic drift" would "completely frustrate the identification of Israelite DNA in the Americas."
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188
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- The author claims that Book of Mormon states that the Lehite/Mulekite groups were both descended from Jewish ancestors
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189
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- The author claims that the ancestry of Israelites living today will all "meet at the Caucasian branch of the human family tree."
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- It is not clear what this has to do with the Book of Mormon.
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190
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- The Lemba prove that it is possible to detect Middle Eastern genes in a foreign environment
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- The Lemba are a special case, only made possible by their links to Jewish priestly families. 98% of known modern Jews cannot be identified by genetic testing.
- Lemba and Cohen modal haplotype
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- John L. Sorenson, "The Problematic Role of DNA Testing in Unraveling Human History," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 9/2 (2000). [66–74] link
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190
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- Church leaders have consistently associated Lamanites with Central America.
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191
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- The Mayan Empire is claimed to considered by Mormons to the closest to the people of the Book of Mormon.
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191
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- There is too much genetic variation in the X lineage to account for Book of Mormon people to have arrived as recently as 2600 years ago.
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192
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- The X lineage occurs in North America and is not found in Central America.
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- Hauswirth et al., 1994
- Ribeiro-dos-Santo et al., 1996
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192
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- LDS writers have overlooked the fact that Mitochondrial DNA research shows that 99.6% of Native Americans migrated to the American continent thousands of years before the Israelites came into existence, and none of these are candidates for Israelite origin.
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- LDS authors have anticipated such findings by at least a century (see, again, p. 154).
- This attack works only if one reads the text in the most naive, ill-informed way possible—as the author seems determined to do.
- Book of Mormon and DNA evidence
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192
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- The remaining 0.4% is likely the result of genetic mixture with people who came to the New World after Columbus
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193
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- LDS scholars claim that the impact of Book of Mormon immigrants to the New World made an impact "so small that they barely mattered."
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- The author has actually elsewhere expressed his agreement with this claim, noting that LDS scientists have argued that "Bottleneck effect, genetic drift, Hardy-Weinberg violations and other technical problems would prevent us from detecting Israelite genes [in Amerindians]. I agree entirely. In 600 BC there were probably several million American Indians living in the Americas. If a small group of Israelites entered such a massive native population it would be very, very hard to detect their genes 200, 2000 or even 20,000 years later."[4]
- Interestingly, this admission was later removed from the website of Southerton's publisher. Southerton goes on to argue that the Book of Mormon "doesn't say this," but as we've noted some leaders and scholars have been reading the text that way for at least a century. The author even admits as much on p. 154.
- So, this attack works only if one reads the text in the most naive, ill-informed way possible—as the author seems determined to do.
- Book of Mormon and DNA evidence
- Amerindians as Lamanites
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193
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- A great number of Native Americans are now assumed to have been absorbed into New World Israelite civilizations.
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193
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- "Other people" in the Book of Mormon have "remained invisible" to most readers.
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- Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.
- Just because someone does not notice something does not mean it was there. Again, the author seems determined to ignore any solution to his problem, and read the text in the most blinkered, ill-informed way possible.
- Amerindians as Lamanites
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193-194
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- "Gentiles who inhabited the Americas before, during and after the Book of Mormon period are potential Lamanites."
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- 2 Nephi 1꞉5
- John L. Sorenson and Matthew Roper, "Before DNA," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 12/1 (2003). [6–23] link
- D. Jeffrey Meldrum and Trent D. Stephens, "Who Are the Children of Lehi?," Journal of Book of Mormon Studies 12/1 (2003). [38–51] link
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194
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- Mormons have "traditionally thought" that any Asian presence in the New World occurred after the Book of Mormon period.
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195
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- The children of Lehi were to be "kept from all other nations, that they may possess this land unto themselves."
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195
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- There are no explicit references to non-Israelites living near the Lehites or Jaredites.
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- Brent L. Metcalf, "Reinventing Lamanite Identity," Sunstone, 131:20-25 (2004).
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195
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- Five hundred years after their arrival, groups were still identified as having descended from Laman, Lemuel, Ishmael, etc.
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196
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- Familial terms used in the Book of Mormon imply a genetic link.
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197
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- Joseph Smith and other leaders taught that the Book of Mormon described the origins of the Indians in the western hemisphere.
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- Matthew Roper, "Nephi's Neighbors: Book of Mormon Peoples and Pre-Columbian Populations," FARMS Review 15/2 (2003): 91–128. off-site
- Matthew Roper, "Swimming the Gene Pool: Israelite Kinship Relations, Genes, and Genealogy," FARMS Review 15/2 (2003): 129–164. off-site
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- Mormons "tend to be hazy" regarding what past Church leaders have said regarding geography.
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