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===Claims made in "Chapter 2: Kirtland/Far west, 1831"=== | ===Claims made in "Chapter 2: Kirtland/Far west, 1831"=== | ||
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|claim=The author claims that in Kirtland that Joseph Smith was "infected with the virus of speculation." | |||
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* {{Prejudicial}} | * {{Prejudicial}} | ||
*{{SecondaryFact}} | *{{SecondaryFact}} | ||
* How does the author know that Joseph was "speculating"? | * How does the author know that Joseph was "speculating"? | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=188-189}} | *{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=188-189}} | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=It is claimed that Joseph stated that Independence Missouri was the site of the Garden of Eden and that the location of Far West was where Cain killed Abel. | |||
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* | *{{Detail=Joseph Smith/Garden of Eden in Missouri|l1=Garden of Eden in Missouri?}} | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=The author, in describing the Kirtland period, states that Joseph became a "swaggering general in his Army of Israel" and that "[d]rilling and pageantry were quite suddenly pervasive aspects of a once-pacific Kirtland existence." | |||
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*{{FalseStatement}} The author seems to be confusing Kirtland and Nauvoo. | *{{FalseStatement}} The author seems to be confusing Kirtland and Nauvoo. | ||
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* No source provided | * No source provided | ||
}} | |||
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|claim={{AuthorQuote|"He then initiated the secret rituals that would further repel their conventional Christian neighbors-anointings, endowments, proxy baptisms, visions, healings, writhing ecstasies, and, especially, the concepts of 'eternal progression' and 'celestial marriage.'"}} | |||
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*{{HistoricalError}}: Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see {{s||DC|50|}}). | *{{HistoricalError}}: Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see {{s||DC|50|}}). | ||
* {{Prejudicial}}: The U.S. Constitution protects private religious practices that do not harm others, including those which might "repel" one's conventional Christian neighbors. | * {{Prejudicial}}: The U.S. Constitution protects private religious practices that do not harm others, including those which might "repel" one's conventional Christian neighbors. | ||
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* No source provided | * No source provided | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=The name of the Church was changed to the "Church of Latter-day Saints" in 1834. | |||
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* | *{{Detail|Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints/Changes in the name of the Church|l1=Changes in the name of the Church]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=Emma is claimed to have driven "the girl" [Fanny Alger] out of her house because she was "unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the Prophet." | |||
| | |response= | ||
* | *{{Detail|Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin#The_Webbs|l1=Hostile accounts of Fanny Alger from the Webbs]] | ||
* | *{{Detail|Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny Alger and William McLellin|l1=Fanny Alger and William McLellin]] | ||
* | *{{Detail|Polygamy_book/Introduction_of_the_eternal_marriage|l1=Fanny Alger and the introduction of plural marriage]] | ||
| | |authorsources= | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Wyl:Mormon Portraits Volume First|pages=57}} | *{{CriticalWork:Wyl:Mormon Portraits Volume First|pages=57}} | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=459}} | *{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=459}} | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=Joseph issued his prophecy regarding the Civil War after visiting New York and hearing about how President Jackson should deal with "a rebellious South Carolina." | |||
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* | *{{Detail|Joseph Smith prophecies/Civil War prophecy|l1=Civil War prophecy]] | ||
* | *{{Detail|One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy|l1=Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy]] | ||
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*Joseph Smith's December 25, 1832 prophecy, quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=619}} | *Joseph Smith's December 25, 1832 prophecy, quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=619}} | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=Failure of the bank in Kirtland caused Joseph to leave Kirtland in the middle of the night. | |||
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* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and church finances/Kirtland Safety Society|l1=Kirtland Safety Society}} | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=199}} | *{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=199}} | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=Joseph "organized a secret group of loyalists" called the Danites. | |||
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* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and persecution/Danites|l1=Danites}} | ||
* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and persecution/Danites/Danites_in_anti-Mormon_polemic|l1=Danites in anti-Mormon polemic}} | ||
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*D. Michael Quinn, quoting Hallwas and Launius, ''Cultures in Conflict'', 8. | *D. Michael Quinn, quoting Hallwas and Launius, ''Cultures in Conflict'', 8. | ||
{{attn}} - ''Check source--there's nothing by H&L on that page about Danites at all.....'' | {{attn}} - ''Check source--there's nothing by H&L on that page about Danites at all.....'' | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=The Danites introduced "blood atonement" who would "save" people by slitting their throats. | |||
| | |response= | ||
* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and doctrine/Repudiated concepts/Blood atonement|l1=Blood atonement}} | ||
* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and persecution/Danites|l1=Danites}} | ||
* | *{{Detail|Mormonism and persecution/Danites/Danites_in_anti-Mormon_polemic|l1=Danites in anti-Mormon polemic}} | ||
| | |authorsources= | ||
*John D. Lee | *John D. Lee | ||
}} | |||
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|claim=Joseph's "Mohammad speech" in Far West. | |||
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* | *{{Detail|Joseph Smith's narcissism/Joseph as a "second Mohammad"|l1=Joseph and Mohammad speech?}} | ||
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Chapter 3 |
Claims made in "Chapter 2: Kirtland/Far west, 1831"
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Claim
The author claims that in Kirtland that Joseph Smith was "infected with the virus of speculation."
Author's source(s)
- Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1945), 188-189. ( Index of claims )
Response
- Prejudicial or loaded language
- Quotes another author's opinion as if it were fact
- How does the author know that Joseph was "speculating"?
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Claim
It is claimed that Joseph stated that Independence Missouri was the site of the Garden of Eden and that the location of Far West was where Cain killed Abel.
Author's source(s)
- No source provided.
Response
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Claim
The author, in describing the Kirtland period, states that Joseph became a "swaggering general in his Army of Israel" and that "[d]rilling and pageantry were quite suddenly pervasive aspects of a once-pacific Kirtland existence."
Author's source(s)
- No source provided
Response
- The author's claim is false The author seems to be confusing Kirtland and Nauvoo.
14
Claim
Author's quote: "He then initiated the secret rituals that would further repel their conventional Christian neighbors-anointings, endowments, proxy baptisms, visions, healings, writhing ecstasies, and, especially, the concepts of 'eternal progression' and 'celestial marriage.'"
Author's source(s)
- No source provided
Response
- History unclear or in error: Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see DC 50).
- Prejudicial or loaded language: The U.S. Constitution protects private religious practices that do not harm others, including those which might "repel" one's conventional Christian neighbors.
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{{IndexClaim |claim=The name of the Church was changed to the "Church of Latter-day Saints" in 1834. |response=
- For a detailed response, see: Changes in the name of the Church]]
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{{IndexClaim |claim=Emma is claimed to have driven "the girl" [Fanny Alger] out of her house because she was "unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the Prophet." |response=
- {{Detail|Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny_Alger_and_William_McLellin#The_Webbs|l1=Hostile accounts of Fanny Alger from the Webbs]]
- {{Detail|Joseph_Smith_and_polygamy/Fanny Alger and William McLellin|l1=Fanny Alger and William McLellin]]
- For a detailed response, see: Fanny Alger and the introduction of plural marriage]]
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{{IndexClaim |claim=Joseph issued his prophecy regarding the Civil War after visiting New York and hearing about how President Jackson should deal with "a rebellious South Carolina." |response=
- {{Detail|Joseph Smith prophecies/Civil War prophecy|l1=Civil War prophecy]]
- For a detailed response, see: Attitude of Saints to Civil War prophecy]]
15
Claim
Failure of the bank in Kirtland caused Joseph to leave Kirtland in the middle of the night.
Author's source(s)
- Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1945), 199. ( Index of claims )
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Kirtland Safety Society
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Claim
Joseph "organized a secret group of loyalists" called the Danites.
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, quoting Hallwas and Launius, Cultures in Conflict, 8.
[ATTENTION!] - Check source--there's nothing by H&L on that page about Danites at all.....
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Danites
- For a detailed response, see: Danites in anti-Mormon polemic
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Claim
The Danites introduced "blood atonement" who would "save" people by slitting their throats.
Author's source(s)
- John D. Lee
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Blood atonement
- For a detailed response, see: Danites
- For a detailed response, see: Danites in anti-Mormon polemic
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Claim
Joseph's "Mohammad speech" in Far West.
Response
- For a detailed response, see: Joseph and Mohammad speech?