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===Claims made in "Chapter 10: The 'Christian' Question"=== | ===Claims made in "Chapter 10: The 'Christian' Question"=== | ||
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LDS leaders spent decades denouncing mainstream Christianity. | |||
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*[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | *[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | ||
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*Joseph Smith, ''EJ", vol. 1, no. 4, p. 60 <nowiki>www.solomonspalding.com/docs/eldjur04.htm </nowiki> | *Joseph Smith, ''EJ", vol. 1, no. 4, p. 60 <nowiki>www.solomonspalding.com/docs/eldjur04.htm </nowiki> | ||
*Joseph Smith, ''History of the Church'' 5:218. | *Joseph Smith, ''History of the Church'' 5:218. | ||
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*B.H. Roberts, ''The Mormon Doctrine of Deity'', p. 116. | *B.H. Roberts, ''The Mormon Doctrine of Deity'', p. 116. | ||
*Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', pp. 132, 246, 269, 314-315. | *Bruce R. McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', pp. 132, 246, 269, 314-315. | ||
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====256==== | ====256==== | ||
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The Book of Mormon teaches that there are only two churches: 1) the false church of the devil and 2) the true church of the Lamb. | |||
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*[[Great and abominable church]] | *[[Great and abominable church]] | ||
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*{{s|1|Nephi|13|4-9}} | *{{s|1|Nephi|13|4-9}} | ||
*{{s|1|Nephi|13|24-29}} | *{{s|1|Nephi|13|24-29}} | ||
*{{s|1|Nephi|14|10-13}} | *{{s|1|Nephi|14|10-13}} | ||
*D&C 19-21 | *D&C 19-21 | ||
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The "ongoing condemnation of Christianity" is "built into the very core of Mormonism as a central tenet." | |||
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*[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | *[[Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity|Did early LDS leaders denounce Christianity?]] | ||
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*Author's opinion | *Author's opinion | ||
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The "Mormon Jesus" is one of three gods overseeing this planet. | |||
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*[[Polytheism]] | *[[Polytheism]] | ||
*[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | *[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | ||
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*Source not specified. | *Source not specified. | ||
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====262, 440n46==== | ====262, 440n46==== | ||
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*[[Jesus Christ | The "Mormon Jesus" is the literal brother of Lucifer. | ||
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*[[Jesus Christ/Brother of Satan]] | |||
*[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | *[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | ||
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*No source specified. | *No source specified. | ||
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====262, 440n46==== | ====262, 440n46==== | ||
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The "Mormon Jesus" atoned only for Adam's transgression, providing us with the opportunity to obtain "eternal life" by our own efforts. | |||
|response= | |||
*[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | *[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | ||
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*Source not specified. | *Source not specified. | ||
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====262, 440n46==== | ====262, 440n46==== | ||
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The "Mormon Jesus" provides no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God. | |||
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*[[Joseph Smith's status in LDS belief]] | *[[Joseph Smith's status in LDS belief]] | ||
*[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | *[[Becoming Gods#The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"|The "Mormon Jesus" versus the "Traditional Jesus"]] | ||
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*Source not specified. | *Source not specified. | ||
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*[[ | The Bible does not mention a ''total'' apostasy. | ||
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*[[Apostasy/Not complete]] | |||
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*{{s|2|Peter|2|1-2}} | *{{s|2|Peter|2|1-2}} | ||
*{{s||Acts|20|29-30}} | *{{s||Acts|20|29-30}} | ||
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*{{s|2|Thessalonians|2|3}} | *{{s|2|Thessalonians|2|3}} | ||
*{{s|2|Thessalonians|2|7}} | *{{s|2|Thessalonians|2|7}} | ||
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====273==== | ====273==== | ||
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*[[Baptism for the dead]] | Baptism for the dead is unbiblical. | ||
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*[[Temples/Baptism for the dead]] | |||
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*No source given. | *No source given. | ||
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====274-276==== | ====274-276==== | ||
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*[[Hebrews 7 | The need for the Aaronic priesthood ceased and was replaced by a new one that is held by all believers. | ||
*[[Christians don't need a mediating priesthood|Christians don't need a mediating priesthood?]] | |response= | ||
*[[Is There a "Priesthood of All Believers"?]] | *[[Priesthood/Restoration/Aaronic/Hebrews 7]] | ||
| | *[[Priesthood/Christians don't need a mediating priesthood|Christians don't need a mediating priesthood?]] | ||
*[[Priesthood/Is there a "Priesthood of All Believers"|Is There a "Priesthood of All Believers"?]] | |||
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*Hebrews 7-10 | *Hebrews 7-10 | ||
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====276-279==== | ====276-279==== | ||
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*[[Priesthood | The Melchizedek priesthood was never a literal order of priests. It belonged only to Melchizedek and Christ. | ||
*[[ | |response= | ||
*[[Priesthood/Non-transferable|Priesthood non-transferable?]] | |||
| | *[[Priesthood/What does the Bible teach|Bible teachings about priesthood]] | ||
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*{{s||Hebrews|7|24}} | *{{s||Hebrews|7|24}} | ||
*D. Guthrie and J.A. Motyer, eds., ''The Eerdman's Bible Commentary'', p. 1241. | *D. Guthrie and J.A. Motyer, eds., ''The Eerdman's Bible Commentary'', p. 1241. | ||
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Claims made in "Chapter 10: The 'Christian' Question"
255, 434n15
Claim
LDS leaders spent decades denouncing mainstream Christianity.
Author's source(s)
- Joseph Smith, EJ", vol. 1, no. 4, p. 60 www.solomonspalding.com/docs/eldjur04.htm
- Joseph Smith, History of the Church 5:218.
- Orson Pratt, "Baptism for the Remission of Sins," The Seer, p. 255.
- Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses 2:196.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 5:73.
- Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:89-90.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 5:229.
- John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:25. (Note: the author's endnote erroneously lists this as JoD 2:25)
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199.
- John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 13:225.
- Andrew Jenson, Collected Discourses 2:150.
- B.H. Roberts, The Mormon Doctrine of Deity, p. 116.
- Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, pp. 132, 246, 269, 314-315.
Response
256
Claim
The Book of Mormon teaches that there are only two churches: 1) the false church of the devil and 2) the true church of the Lamb.
Author's source(s)
- 1 Nephi 13꞉4-9
- 1 Nephi 13꞉24-29
- 1 Nephi 14꞉10-13
- D&C 19-21
Response
257
Claim
The "ongoing condemnation of Christianity" is "built into the very core of Mormonism as a central tenet."
Author's source(s)
- Author's opinion
Response
262, 440n46
Claim
The "Mormon Jesus" is one of three gods overseeing this planet.
Author's source(s)
- Source not specified.
Response
262, 440n46
Claim
The "Mormon Jesus" is the literal brother of Lucifer.
Author's source(s)
- No source specified.
Response
262, 440n46
Claim
The "Mormon Jesus" atoned only for Adam's transgression, providing us with the opportunity to obtain "eternal life" by our own efforts.
Author's source(s)
- Source not specified.
Response
262, 440n46
Claim
The "Mormon Jesus" provides no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of God.
Author's source(s)
- Source not specified.
Response
268
Claim
The Bible does not mention a total apostasy.
Author's source(s)
Response
273
Claim
Baptism for the dead is unbiblical.
Author's source(s)
- No source given.
Response
274-276
Claim
The need for the Aaronic priesthood ceased and was replaced by a new one that is held by all believers.
Author's source(s)
- Hebrews 7-10
Response
- Priesthood/Restoration/Aaronic/Hebrews 7
- Christians don't need a mediating priesthood?
- Is There a "Priesthood of All Believers"?
276-279
Claim
The Melchizedek priesthood was never a literal order of priests. It belonged only to Melchizedek and Christ.
Author's source(s)
- Hebrews 7꞉24
- D. Guthrie and J.A. Motyer, eds., The Eerdman's Bible Commentary, p. 1241.
Response