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=Claims made in "Chapter 16: Mormon Racism: Black Is ''Not'' Beautiful"= | =Claims made in "Chapter 16: Mormon Racism: Black Is ''Not'' Beautiful"= | ||
====355 epigraph, 597n1==== | ====355 epigraph, 597n1==== | ||
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*Joseph Smith said in ''History of the Church'': "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..." | *Joseph Smith said in ''History of the Church'': "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..." | ||
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* [[../../Notable omissions#355|Notable omissions: Joseph Smith and confining the negro]] | * [[../../Notable omissions#355|Notable omissions: Joseph Smith and confining the negro]] | ||
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*''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 217-218. | *''History of the Church'', vol. 5, 217-218. | ||
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====356, 597n5==== | ====356, 597n5==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Mormonism and racism have for many years been synonymous terms to persons well acquainted with Latter-day Saint beliefs."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mormonism and racism have for many years been synonymous terms to persons well acquainted with Latter-day Saint beliefs."}} | ||
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* The author's hostility and many errors on this and many other points of LDS belief demonstrate that ''he'', at least, is not one of these persons so acquainted. | * The author's hostility and many errors on this and many other points of LDS belief demonstrate that ''he'', at least, is not one of these persons so acquainted. | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential. | *Thelma Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America|pages=103-106}} | *{{CriticalWork:Ostling:Mormon America|pages=103-106}} | ||
*Thomas Matthews, "Mormon Racism In Perspective." | *Thomas Matthews, "Mormon Racism In Perspective." | ||
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====356==== | ====356==== | ||
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*Did the granting of the priesthood to blacks in 1978 fail to "eradicate the previous 148 years of Mormon racist/white supremacist teachings?" | *Did the granting of the priesthood to blacks in 1978 fail to "eradicate the previous 148 years of Mormon racist/white supremacist teachings?" | ||
*Were these teaching all related to the LDS doctrine of pre-existence? | *Were these teaching all related to the LDS doctrine of pre-existence? | ||
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* {{InternalContradiction|[[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_16#370|p. 370]] tells us that 'Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history.' So, why were the Mormons happy about the revelation if their supposedly racist mindset could hardly be eradicated by the 1978 revelation?}} | * {{InternalContradiction|[[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_16#370|p. 370]] tells us that 'Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history.' So, why were the Mormons happy about the revelation if their supposedly racist mindset could hardly be eradicated by the 1978 revelation?}} | ||
*And , the evidence shows that Mormons are no more or no less racist than others of the same background.{{nc}} | *And , the evidence shows that Mormons are no more or no less racist than others of the same background.{{nc}} | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*Author's statement. | *Author's statement. | ||
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====356, n6==== | ====356, n6==== | ||
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*Do Latter-day Saints traditionally believe that everyone's place in the world was determined by how they behaved in the pre-mortal world? | *Do Latter-day Saints traditionally believe that everyone's place in the world was determined by how they behaved in the pre-mortal world? | ||
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* Note well the word '''traditional'''. {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | * Note well the word '''traditional'''. {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | ||
* {{SourceDistortion}}: {{s||Abraham|3|22}} only says that God chose 'noble and great' spirits to be his spiritual leaders in the pre-mortal world. It says nothing about country, socio-economic status, etc. | * {{SourceDistortion}}: {{s||Abraham|3|22}} only says that God chose 'noble and great' spirits to be his spiritual leaders in the pre-mortal world. It says nothing about country, socio-economic status, etc. | ||
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*''Pearl of Great Price'', Book of Abraham 3:22. | *''Pearl of Great Price'', Book of Abraham 3:22. | ||
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====357, 597n7, 9-11==== | ====357, 597n7, 9-11==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|These admirable spirits served God well, followed his commands, and did the most with their talents before coming to earth. Consequently, they are rewarded by being born into favorable circumstances. To be specific, they are born as Mormons in America, or at the very least, somewhere in a predominantly Caucasian country. More righteous spirits are born with more advantages. Less commendable spirits, however, are born with fewer advantages, into lives of greater or lesser quality depending on how poorly they performed in the pre-earth world. Moreover, they are born as non-whites. This is their punishment for not having been all they could have been during the pre-existence.}} | *{{AuthorQuote|These admirable spirits served God well, followed his commands, and did the most with their talents before coming to earth. Consequently, they are rewarded by being born into favorable circumstances. To be specific, they are born as Mormons in America, or at the very least, somewhere in a predominantly Caucasian country. More righteous spirits are born with more advantages. Less commendable spirits, however, are born with fewer advantages, into lives of greater or lesser quality depending on how poorly they performed in the pre-earth world. Moreover, they are born as non-whites. This is their punishment for not having been all they could have been during the pre-existence.}} | ||
*A quote from Apostle Mark E. Petersen is provided to support this assertion. | *A quote from Apostle Mark E. Petersen is provided to support this assertion. | ||
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* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | ||
*[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | *[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church," Address At the Convention of Teachers of Religion On the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954. | *Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church," Address At the Convention of Teachers of Religion On the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954. | ||
*John J. Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', inside flap book cover and 144. | *John J. Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', inside flap book cover and 144. | ||
*Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 1, 61. | *Joseph Fielding Smith, ''Doctrines of Salvation'', vol. 1, 61. | ||
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====357, 597n8==== | ====357, 597n8==== | ||
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*Does Latter-day Saint doctrine teach that black is not an "honourable body?" | *Does Latter-day Saint doctrine teach that black is not an "honourable body?" | ||
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* Such teachings have been [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Avoid_speculating_without_knowledge|repudiated]]. Revelation has [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Understanding_pre-1978_statements|clarified]] false or incomplete former beliefs. | * Such teachings have been [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Avoid_speculating_without_knowledge|repudiated]]. Revelation has [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Understanding_pre-1978_statements#Understanding_pre-1978_statements|clarified]] false or incomplete former beliefs. | ||
*[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | *[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Orson Hyde, ''Speech of Orson Hyde, Delivered Before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, Upon the Course and Conduct of Mr. Sidney Rigdon'', 309. | *Orson Hyde, ''Speech of Orson Hyde, Delivered Before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, Upon the Course and Conduct of Mr. Sidney Rigdon'', 309. | ||
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====358, 597n13==== | ====358, 597n13==== | ||
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*Were those who "fought on Christ's side" in the pre-existence born as "privileged Mormon whites?" | *Were those who "fought on Christ's side" in the pre-existence born as "privileged Mormon whites?" | ||
*Were those who were "less valiant" born as blacks? | *Were those who were "less valiant" born as blacks? | ||
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* {{Abanes:One Nation:McConkie Distorted}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:McConkie Distorted}} | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*B.H. Roberts, "To the Youth of Israel," ''The Contributor'', vol. 6, 296-297. | *B.H. Roberts, "To the Youth of Israel," ''The Contributor'', vol. 6, 296-297. | ||
*Bruce McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 527. | *Bruce McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'', p. 527. | ||
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====358, 597n14-15==== | ====358, 597n14-15==== | ||
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*Didn't Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie claim that blacks were of the lineage of Cain? | *Didn't Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie claim that blacks were of the lineage of Cain? | ||
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*[[Blacks and the priesthood/The "curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"|"Curse of Cain" and "Curse of Ham"]] | *[[Blacks and the priesthood/The "curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"|"Curse of Cain" and "Curse of Ham"]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' p. 109. | *McConkie, ''Mormon Doctrine'' p. 109. | ||
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=45|vol=7|start=290}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=45|vol=7|start=290}} | ||
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====360, 598n23-26==== | ====360, 598n23-26==== | ||
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*Why did Bruce R. McConkie say in his 1966 edition of Mormon Doctrine: "The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned...[B]ut this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing." | *Why did Bruce R. McConkie say in his 1966 edition of Mormon Doctrine: "The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned...[B]ut this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing." | ||
*Did Joseph Fielding Smith make a similar statement? | *Did Joseph Fielding Smith make a similar statement? | ||
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{{Abanes:One Nation:McConkie Distorted}} | {{Abanes:One Nation:McConkie Distorted}} | ||
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*McConkie, 527. | *McConkie, 527. | ||
*Joseph Fielding Smith, mimeographed letter, July 9, 1963. Quoted in Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', 154. | *Joseph Fielding Smith, mimeographed letter, July 9, 1963. Quoted in Stewart, ''The Glory of Mormonism'', 154. | ||
*Lowery Nelson, letter to First Presidency, October 8, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 146. | *Lowery Nelson, letter to First Presidency, October 8, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 146. | ||
*LDS First Presidency, letter to Lowery Nelson, July 17, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 153. | *LDS First Presidency, letter to Lowery Nelson, July 17, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 153. | ||
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====361, 598n27==== | ====361, 598n27==== | ||
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*"Fourth generation Mormon" Thelma Geer said: | *"Fourth generation Mormon" Thelma Geer said: | ||
<blockquote> | <blockquote> | ||
"As a white Mormon, I proudly accepted the teaching that my fair skin and Mormon parentage signified that I had been one of God's most intelligent and obedient born-in-heaven spirit children....As a reward for my superior attributes and attitudes, I had been singled out, trained, and qualified to be born a white Latter-day Saint, deserving of emulation, adulation, and eventual deification. All dark-skinned people, even darker-complexioned Caucasians...had been inferior spirits in heaven." | "As a white Mormon, I proudly accepted the teaching that my fair skin and Mormon parentage signified that I had been one of God's most intelligent and obedient born-in-heaven spirit children....As a reward for my superior attributes and attitudes, I had been singled out, trained, and qualified to be born a white Latter-day Saint, deserving of emulation, adulation, and eventual deification. All dark-skinned people, even darker-complexioned Caucasians...had been inferior spirits in heaven." | ||
</blockquote> | </blockquote> | ||
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*Thelma Geer appeared in the film ''The God Makers''. | *Thelma Geer appeared in the film ''The God Makers''. | ||
* She and the author do not disclose that these are 'folk beliefs.' {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | * She and the author do not disclose that these are 'folk beliefs.' {{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | ||
* This was true even when Geer wrote in 1980. | * This was true even when Geer wrote in 1980. | ||
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*Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. The author cites Geer yet again. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential. | *Geer, ''Mormonism, Mama & Me'', 24-25. The author cites Geer yet again. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, ''The Cult Explosion'' and [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']]. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential. | ||
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====361, 598n28, 31==== | ====361, 598n28, 31==== | ||
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*Was interracial marriage condemned by Brigham Young as "one of the most heinous of deeds?" | *Was interracial marriage condemned by Brigham Young as "one of the most heinous of deeds?" | ||
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*{{HistoricalError}}: interracial marriage was illegal in Brigham Young's day. The relationships which he was discussing were ''not'' marriages, and he condemned the white person for exploiting the black. | *{{HistoricalError}}: interracial marriage was illegal in Brigham Young's day. The relationships which he was discussing were ''not'' marriages, and he condemned the white person for exploiting the black. | ||
* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young | * {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death]] | ||
*[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | *[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*''Juvenile Instructor'', vol. 3, 165. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow|pages=266}}. | *''Juvenile Instructor'', vol. 3, 165. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Tanner:Mormonism Shadow|pages=266}}. | ||
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=25|vol=10|start=110}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=25|vol=10|start=110}} | ||
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====362, 598n29-30==== | ====362, 598n29-30==== | ||
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*Did Mark E. Petersen say that segregation was acceptable, and the interracial marriage "posed a danger?" | *Did Mark E. Petersen say that segregation was acceptable, and the interracial marriage "posed a danger?" | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism Repudiated}} | ||
*[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | *[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | ||
*[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | *[[Racist statements by Church leaders]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church." | *Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church." | ||
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====364, 599n40==== | ====364, 599n40==== | ||
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*Did Latter-day Saints not support the Civil Rights movement because they had "strong feelings of racial superiority infused into them by years of white supremacist teachings," as claimed by Wallace Turner? | *Did Latter-day Saints not support the Civil Rights movement because they had "strong feelings of racial superiority infused into them by years of white supremacist teachings," as claimed by Wallace Turner? | ||
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* Latter-day Saints were of more than one opinion about the Civil Rights movement. Even the leadership did not all agree; some supported the movement, and others worried that it was a front for interests hostile to American liberties. | * Latter-day Saints were of more than one opinion about the Civil Rights movement. Even the leadership did not all agree; some supported the movement, and others worried that it was a front for interests hostile to American liberties. | ||
* Unlike many Protestant denominations, however, Latter-day Saints did not have segregated congregations, or address racist groups like the Klu Klux Klan. | * Unlike many Protestant denominations, however, Latter-day Saints did not have segregated congregations, or address racist groups like the Klu Klux Klan. | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Wallace Turner, ''The Mormon Establishment'', 229 | *Wallace Turner, ''The Mormon Establishment'', 229 | ||
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====365, 599n44==== | ====365, 599n44==== | ||
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*Did LDS leaders instruct a missionary to "not to work with the poor and to tell blacks that they should attend the church of their choice, but not the Mormon church?" | *Did LDS leaders instruct a missionary to "not to work with the poor and to tell blacks that they should attend the church of their choice, but not the Mormon church?" | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Robert Gottlieb and Peter Wiley, ''American Saints: The Rise of Mormon Power'', 179-180. | *Robert Gottlieb and Peter Wiley, ''American Saints: The Rise of Mormon Power'', 179-180. | ||
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====366==== | ====366==== | ||
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*Was David O. McKay was "blocked" from granting Blacks the priesthood by Ezra Taft Benson, Harold B. Lee, and Joseph Fielding Smith? | *Was David O. McKay was "blocked" from granting Blacks the priesthood by Ezra Taft Benson, Harold B. Lee, and Joseph Fielding Smith? | ||
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* {{HistoricalError}}: David O. McKay's recent biography includes the following accounts about the priesthood ban: | * {{HistoricalError}}: David O. McKay's recent biography includes the following accounts about the priesthood ban: | ||
** "McKay said, 'I have prayed and prayed and prayed, but there has been no answer.'" | ** "McKay said, 'I have prayed and prayed and prayed, but there has been no answer.'" | ||
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** "I've inquired of the Lord repeatedly. The last time I did it was late last night. I was told, with no discussion, not to bring the subject up with the Lord again; that the time will come, but it will not be my time, and to leave the subject alone."{{ref|mckay.1}} | ** "I've inquired of the Lord repeatedly. The last time I did it was late last night. I was told, with no discussion, not to bring the subject up with the Lord again; that the time will come, but it will not be my time, and to leave the subject alone."{{ref|mckay.1}} | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*No citations specific to this claim. The subsequent citations only talk about Ezra Taft Benson as part of the John Birch Society and his "racist/anti-Communist views." | *No citations specific to this claim. The subsequent citations only talk about Ezra Taft Benson as part of the John Birch Society and his "racist/anti-Communist views." | ||
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====367==== | ====367==== | ||
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*When George Wallace asked President David O. McKay if Ezra Taft Benson could be his vice-presidential running mate, this request was denied. Did this, as the author asserts, "illustrate the serious in-fighting and strained relations between Benson and his supporters on one side, and more moderate high-ranking LDS authorities on McKay's side?" | *When George Wallace asked President David O. McKay if Ezra Taft Benson could be his vice-presidential running mate, this request was denied. Did this, as the author asserts, "illustrate the serious in-fighting and strained relations between Benson and his supporters on one side, and more moderate high-ranking LDS authorities on McKay's side?" | ||
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* {{HistoricalError}}: Despite being a staunch anti-Communist, David O. McKay persistently denied Ezra Taft Benson's desire to join the leadership of the John Birch Society. He did, however, allow Elder Benson to consider a run as a presidential candidate.{{ref|benson.1}} | * {{HistoricalError}}: Despite being a staunch anti-Communist, David O. McKay persistently denied Ezra Taft Benson's desire to join the leadership of the John Birch Society. He did, however, allow Elder Benson to consider a run as a presidential candidate.{{ref|benson.1}} | ||
* President McKay refused, however, to grant permission for Elder Benson to be Wallace's running mate, based on some or all of: | * President McKay refused, however, to grant permission for Elder Benson to be Wallace's running mate, based on some or all of: | ||
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** "his unwillingness to have an apostle square off against announced Mormon candidate George Romney" | ** "his unwillingness to have an apostle square off against announced Mormon candidate George Romney" | ||
** his "growing weariness with Benson's political activities," which centered around problems with the John Birch Society.{{ref|benson.2}} | ** his "growing weariness with Benson's political activities," which centered around problems with the John Birch Society.{{ref|benson.2}} | ||
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*No citation provided. | *No citation provided. | ||
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*By the time Spencer W. Kimball took over as Church president "the church had been enduring non-stop pressure to conform with America's realization that racial inequality had to end." | *By the time Spencer W. Kimball took over as Church president "the church had been enduring non-stop pressure to conform with America's realization that racial inequality had to end." | ||
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*{{HistoricalError}}: [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Social_pressure|Social pressure on priesthood issue?]] | *{{HistoricalError}}: [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Social_pressure|Social pressure on priesthood issue?]] | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*No citation provided. | *No citation provided. | ||
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====369, 599n57==== | ====369, 599n57==== | ||
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*Was President Kimball forced to change the priesthood restriction because of the new temple in Brazil? | *Was President Kimball forced to change the priesthood restriction because of the new temple in Brazil? | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racism}} | ||
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*Gottlieb and Wiley, 184,. | *Gottlieb and Wiley, 184,. | ||
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====370, n58==== | ====370, n58==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Like the Manifesto, the 1978 policy change was billed as a 'revelation' from God"}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Like the Manifesto, the 1978 policy change was billed as a 'revelation' from God"}} | ||
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* [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | * [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A. | *Declaration 2, released to ''Deseret News'', June 9, 1978, page 1A. | ||
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====370==== | ====370==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history."}} | ||
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*{{InternalContradiction|On [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_16#356|p. 356]], we are told the 1978 revelation "could hardly eradicate the previous 148 years of Mormon racist/white supremacist teachings." See also [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_15#353|p. 353]] where LDS beliefs are called "white supremacist." So, why were most Mormons "pleased" if they were still suffering from the burden of racist attitudes and white supremacist beliefs? Why would racists be happy about the change?}} | *{{InternalContradiction|On [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_16#356|p. 356]], we are told the 1978 revelation "could hardly eradicate the previous 148 years of Mormon racist/white supremacist teachings." See also [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Index/Chapter_15#353|p. 353]] where LDS beliefs are called "white supremacist." So, why were most Mormons "pleased" if they were still suffering from the burden of racist attitudes and white supremacist beliefs? Why would racists be happy about the change?}} | ||
*{{HistoricalError}}: [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Social_pressure|Social pressure on priesthood issue?]] | *{{HistoricalError}}: [[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Social_pressure|Social pressure on priesthood issue?]] | ||
*[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | *[[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
}} | |||
====370==== | ====370==== | ||
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*Did the lifting of the priesthood ban cause "millions of dollars" to begin "flowing into the church's coffers?" | *Did the lifting of the priesthood ban cause "millions of dollars" to begin "flowing into the church's coffers?" | ||
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*[[../../Absurd claims|Absurd claims]] | *[[../../Absurd claims|Absurd claims]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
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====370, 599n59==== | ====370, 599n59==== | ||
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*Didn't Brigham Young say that Blacks would not receive the priesthood until after the resurrection of the dead? | *Didn't Brigham Young say that Blacks would not receive the priesthood until after the resurrection of the dead? | ||
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* The author presumes that Latter-day Saints believe in [[ | * The author presumes that Latter-day Saints believe in [[Church doctrine/Statements by Church leaders|prophetic infallibility]]. They do not. | ||
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=26|vol=2|start=143}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=26|vol=2|start=143}} | ||
*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=45|vol=7|start=290|end=291}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=45|vol=7|start=290|end=291}} | ||
}} | |||
====371, 600n63==== | ====371, 600n63==== | ||
| | {{IndexClaim | ||
|claim= | |||
*Is the idea that the words of a living prophet are more important than the teachings of a dead prophet a "illogical belief?" | *Is the idea that the words of a living prophet are more important than the teachings of a dead prophet a "illogical belief?" | ||
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* This is what the early Christians thought too—Jesus and the apostles superseded dead prophets like Moses. | * This is what the early Christians thought too—Jesus and the apostles superseded dead prophets like Moses. | ||
* [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | * [[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
* [[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | * [[../../Sarcasm|Sarcasm]] | ||
|authorsources= | |||
*John Lewis Lund, ''The Church and the Negro: A Discussion of Mormons, Negroes, and the Priesthood'', 45. | *John Lewis Lund, ''The Church and the Negro: A Discussion of Mormons, Negroes, and the Priesthood'', 45. | ||
}} | |||
====372==== | ====372==== | ||
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*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If God has removed the curse that at one time kept Blacks from the priesthood, then why has he not removed the marks of that curse..." | *The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If God has removed the curse that at one time kept Blacks from the priesthood, then why has he not removed the marks of that curse..." | ||
| | |response= | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | ||
}} | |||
====372==== | ====372==== | ||
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|claim= | |||
*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If some spirits continue to be cursed with black skin because of their unrighteous behavior in the pre-mortal world, then why does that same unrighteous behavior now no longer disqualify them from the priesthood?" | *The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If some spirits continue to be cursed with black skin because of their unrighteous behavior in the pre-mortal world, then why does that same unrighteous behavior now no longer disqualify them from the priesthood?" | ||
| | |response= | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | ||
}} | |||
====372==== | ====372==== | ||
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|claim= | |||
*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If black skin is no longer a sign of a special curse, then does that mean white skin is no longer a sign of a special blessing?" | *The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If black skin is no longer a sign of a special curse, then does that mean white skin is no longer a sign of a special blessing?" | ||
| | |response= | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | ||
| | |authorsources= | ||
*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | ||
}} | |||
====372==== | ====372==== | ||
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|claim= | |||
*The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If a racially mixed couple conceived a child before June 9, 1978, and in so doing sinned by mixing a cursed seed (Black) with an un-cursed seed (White), then after June 9, 1978, were they still guilty of the sin of race-mixing since Blacks were no longer cursed from the priesthood?" | *The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If a racially mixed couple conceived a child before June 9, 1978, and in so doing sinned by mixing a cursed seed (Black) with an un-cursed seed (White), then after June 9, 1978, were they still guilty of the sin of race-mixing since Blacks were no longer cursed from the priesthood?" | ||
| | |response= | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Reply}} | ||
* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young on race mixing]], as mentioned in the entry on p. 361, Brigham Young's remarks were not made in a context of 'marriage,' but in one of sexual exploitation. | * {{SourceDistortion}}: [[Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death|Brigham Young on race mixing]], as mentioned in the entry on p. 361, Brigham Young's remarks were not made in a context of 'marriage,' but in one of sexual exploitation. | ||
*[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | *[[Blacks_and_the_priesthood/Repudiated_ideas#Is_interracial_marriage_condemned.3F|Inter-racial marriage a sin?]] | ||
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*{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | *{{Abanes:One Nation:Racist Questions Unanswered Source}} | ||
}} | |||
==Endnotes== | ==Endnotes== | ||
Revision as of 22:17, 14 February 2010
| Claims made in "Chapter 15: Making the Transition" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Chapter 17: Is Mormonism Christian?" |
Claims made in "Chapter 16: Mormon Racism: Black Is Not Beautiful"
355 epigraph, 597n1
Claim
- Joseph Smith said in History of the Church: "Had I anything to do with the negro, I would confine them by strict law to their own species..."
Author's source(s)
- History of the Church, vol. 5, 217-218.
Response
356, 597n5
Claim
- Author's quote: "Mormonism and racism have for many years been synonymous terms to persons well acquainted with Latter-day Saint beliefs."
Author's source(s)
- Thelma Geer, Mormonism, Mama & Me, 24-25. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, The Cult Explosion and The God Makers. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
- Richard N. and Joan K. Ostling, Mormon America: The Power and the Promise, (New York:HarperCollins Publishers, 2000), 103-106. ( Index of claims )
- Thomas Matthews, "Mormon Racism In Perspective."
Response
- The author's hostility and many errors on this and many other points of LDS belief demonstrate that he, at least, is not one of these persons so acquainted.
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
- Loaded and prejudicial language
356
Author's source(s)
- Author's statement.
Response
- Internal contradiction: p. 370 tells us that 'Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history.' So, why were the Mormons happy about the revelation if their supposedly racist mindset could hardly be eradicated by the 1978 revelation?
- And , the evidence shows that Mormons are no more or no less racist than others of the same background.[citation needed]
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
- Loaded and prejudicial language
356, n6
Claim
- Do Latter-day Saints traditionally believe that everyone's place in the world was determined by how they behaved in the pre-mortal world?
Author's source(s)
- Pearl of Great Price, Book of Abraham 3:22.
Response
- Note well the word traditional. Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- The author presumes the Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
- Misrepresentation of source: Abraham 3꞉22 only says that God chose 'noble and great' spirits to be his spiritual leaders in the pre-mortal world. It says nothing about country, socio-economic status, etc.
357, 597n7, 9-11
Claim
- Author's quote: These admirable spirits served God well, followed his commands, and did the most with their talents before coming to earth. Consequently, they are rewarded by being born into favorable circumstances. To be specific, they are born as Mormons in America, or at the very least, somewhere in a predominantly Caucasian country. More righteous spirits are born with more advantages. Less commendable spirits, however, are born with fewer advantages, into lives of greater or lesser quality depending on how poorly they performed in the pre-earth world. Moreover, they are born as non-whites. This is their punishment for not having been all they could have been during the pre-existence.
- A quote from Apostle Mark E. Petersen is provided to support this assertion.
Author's source(s)
- Mark E. Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church," Address At the Convention of Teachers of Religion On the College Level, delivered at Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.
- John J. Stewart, The Glory of Mormonism, inside flap book cover and 144.
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, 61.
Response
- Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- The author presumes the Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
- Racist statements by Church leaders
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
357, 597n8
Claim
- Does Latter-day Saint doctrine teach that black is not an "honourable body?"
Author's source(s)
- Orson Hyde, Speech of Orson Hyde, Delivered Before the High Priests' Quorum, in Nauvoo, April 27th, 1845, Upon the Course and Conduct of Mr. Sidney Rigdon, 309.
Response
- Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- Racist statements by Church leaders
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
358, 597n13
Claim
- Were those who "fought on Christ's side" in the pre-existence born as "privileged Mormon whites?"
- Were those who were "less valiant" born as blacks?
Author's source(s)
- B.H. Roberts, "To the Youth of Israel," The Contributor, vol. 6, 296-297.
- Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 527.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Use of sources:Mormon Doctrine on race issues
- The author fails to here inform us that Elder McConkie retracted previous ideas which he and others had expressed about blacks and the priesthood. McConkie is quoted without qualification.
- Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- The author presumes the Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
358, 597n14-15
Claim
- Didn't Brigham Young and Bruce R. McConkie claim that blacks were of the lineage of Cain?
Author's source(s)
- McConkie, Mormon Doctrine p. 109.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:290.
Response
360, 598n23-26
Claim
- Why did Bruce R. McConkie say in his 1966 edition of Mormon Doctrine: "The negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned...[B]ut this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing."
- Did Joseph Fielding Smith make a similar statement?
Author's source(s)
- McConkie, 527.
- Joseph Fielding Smith, mimeographed letter, July 9, 1963. Quoted in Stewart, The Glory of Mormonism, 154.
- Lowery Nelson, letter to First Presidency, October 8, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 146.
- LDS First Presidency, letter to Lowery Nelson, July 17, 1947. Quoted in Steward, 153.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Use of sources:Mormon Doctrine on race issues
- The author fails to here inform us that Elder McConkie retracted previous ideas which he and others had expressed about blacks and the priesthood. McConkie is quoted without qualification.
361, 598n27
Claim
- "Fourth generation Mormon" Thelma Geer said:
"As a white Mormon, I proudly accepted the teaching that my fair skin and Mormon parentage signified that I had been one of God's most intelligent and obedient born-in-heaven spirit children....As a reward for my superior attributes and attitudes, I had been singled out, trained, and qualified to be born a white Latter-day Saint, deserving of emulation, adulation, and eventual deification. All dark-skinned people, even darker-complexioned Caucasians...had been inferior spirits in heaven."
"As a white Mormon, I proudly accepted the teaching that my fair skin and Mormon parentage signified that I had been one of God's most intelligent and obedient born-in-heaven spirit children....As a reward for my superior attributes and attitudes, I had been singled out, trained, and qualified to be born a white Latter-day Saint, deserving of emulation, adulation, and eventual deification. All dark-skinned people, even darker-complexioned Caucasians...had been inferior spirits in heaven."
Author's source(s)
- Geer, Mormonism, Mama & Me, 24-25. The author cites Geer yet again. This source is an anti-Mormon work published by Thelma "Granny" Geer (second edition in 1980; expanded 4th edition by 1984; 5th edition 1986). Ms. Geer's book cover announces that she has appeared in two films, The Cult Explosion and The God Makers. It is not clear why the author, who clearly has pretensions to writing a 'scholarly' work, would use this type of polemic as a secondary source. Anti-Mormon literature is nothing if not self-referential.
Response
- Thelma Geer appeared in the film The God Makers.
- She and the author do not disclose that these are 'folk beliefs.' Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- The author presumes the Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
- This was true even when Geer wrote in 1980.
361, 598n28, 31
Claim
- Was interracial marriage condemned by Brigham Young as "one of the most heinous of deeds?"
Author's source(s)
- Juvenile Instructor, vol. 3, 165. Quoted in Jerald and Sandra Tanner, Mormonism—Shadow or Reality?, 5th edition, (Salt Lake City: Utah Lighthouse Ministry, 1987), 266..
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 10:110.
Response
- History unclear or in error: interracial marriage was illegal in Brigham Young's day. The relationships which he was discussing were not marriages, and he condemned the white person for exploiting the black.
- Misrepresentation of source: Brigham Young/Race mixing punishable by death
- Inter-racial marriage a sin?
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
362, 598n29-30
Claim
- Did Mark E. Petersen say that segregation was acceptable, and the interracial marriage "posed a danger?"
Author's source(s)
- Petersen, "Race Problems As They Affect The Church."
Response
- Such teachings have been repudiated. Revelation has clarified false or incomplete former beliefs.
- The author presumes the Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
- Inter-racial marriage a sin?
- Racist statements by Church leaders
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
364, 599n40
Claim
- Did Latter-day Saints not support the Civil Rights movement because they had "strong feelings of racial superiority infused into them by years of white supremacist teachings," as claimed by Wallace Turner?
Author's source(s)
- Wallace Turner, The Mormon Establishment, 229
Response
- Latter-day Saints were of more than one opinion about the Civil Rights movement. Even the leadership did not all agree; some supported the movement, and others worried that it was a front for interests hostile to American liberties.
- Unlike many Protestant denominations, however, Latter-day Saints did not have segregated congregations, or address racist groups like the Klu Klux Klan.
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
365, 599n44
Claim
- Did LDS leaders instruct a missionary to "not to work with the poor and to tell blacks that they should attend the church of their choice, but not the Mormon church?"
Author's source(s)
- Robert Gottlieb and Peter Wiley, American Saints: The Rise of Mormon Power, 179-180.
Response
366
Claim
- Was David O. McKay was "blocked" from granting Blacks the priesthood by Ezra Taft Benson, Harold B. Lee, and Joseph Fielding Smith?
Author's source(s)
- No citations specific to this claim. The subsequent citations only talk about Ezra Taft Benson as part of the John Birch Society and his "racist/anti-Communist views."
Response
- History unclear or in error: David O. McKay's recent biography includes the following accounts about the priesthood ban:
- "McKay said, 'I have prayed and prayed and prayed, but there has been no answer.'"
- "...he had inquired of the Lord several times on the matter, and ... the answer was, 'Not yet.'"
- "I've inquired of the Lord repeatedly. The last time I did it was late last night. I was told, with no discussion, not to bring the subject up with the Lord again; that the time will come, but it will not be my time, and to leave the subject alone."[1]
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
367
Claim
- When George Wallace asked President David O. McKay if Ezra Taft Benson could be his vice-presidential running mate, this request was denied. Did this, as the author asserts, "illustrate the serious in-fighting and strained relations between Benson and his supporters on one side, and more moderate high-ranking LDS authorities on McKay's side?"
Author's source(s)
- No citation provided.
Response
- History unclear or in error: Despite being a staunch anti-Communist, David O. McKay persistently denied Ezra Taft Benson's desire to join the leadership of the John Birch Society. He did, however, allow Elder Benson to consider a run as a presidential candidate.[2]
- President McKay refused, however, to grant permission for Elder Benson to be Wallace's running mate, based on some or all of:
- "his already expressed aversion to a third political party" (which Wallace was running on)
- "his personal feelings toward Wallace"
- "his unwillingness to have an apostle square off against announced Mormon candidate George Romney"
- his "growing weariness with Benson's political activities," which centered around problems with the John Birch Society.[3]
368
Claim
- By the time Spencer W. Kimball took over as Church president "the church had been enduring non-stop pressure to conform with America's realization that racial inequality had to end."
Author's source(s)
- No citation provided.
Response
- History unclear or in error: Social pressure on priesthood issue?
- ONUG's double standard on race issues
369, 599n57
Claim
- Was President Kimball forced to change the priesthood restriction because of the new temple in Brazil?
Author's source(s)
- Gottlieb and Wiley, 184,.
Response
370, n58
Claim
- Author's quote: "Like the Manifesto, the 1978 policy change was billed as a 'revelation' from God"
Author's source(s)
- Declaration 2, released to Deseret News, June 9, 1978, page 1A.
Response
370
Claim
- Author's quote: "Mormons, by and large, were pleased that God had changed his mind at such a convenient time in history."
Author's source(s)
- No source provided.
Response
- Internal contradiction: On p. 356, we are told the 1978 revelation "could hardly eradicate the previous 148 years of Mormon racist/white supremacist teachings." See also p. 353 where LDS beliefs are called "white supremacist." So, why were most Mormons "pleased" if they were still suffering from the burden of racist attitudes and white supremacist beliefs? Why would racists be happy about the change?
- History unclear or in error: Social pressure on priesthood issue?
- Sarcasm
370
Claim
- Did the lifting of the priesthood ban cause "millions of dollars" to begin "flowing into the church's coffers?"
Response
370, 599n59
Claim
- Didn't Brigham Young say that Blacks would not receive the priesthood until after the resurrection of the dead?
Author's source(s)
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 2:143.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 7:290-291.
Response
- The author presumes that Latter-day Saints believe in prophetic infallibility. They do not.
371, 600n63
Claim
- Is the idea that the words of a living prophet are more important than the teachings of a dead prophet a "illogical belief?"
Author's source(s)
- John Lewis Lund, The Church and the Negro: A Discussion of Mormons, Negroes, and the Priesthood, 45.
Response
- This is what the early Christians thought too—Jesus and the apostles superseded dead prophets like Moses.
- Loaded and prejudicial language
- Sarcasm
372
Claim
- The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If God has removed the curse that at one time kept Blacks from the priesthood, then why has he not removed the marks of that curse..."
Author's source(s)
- No source provided. The author does not demonstrate that he has even assessed LDS answers, much less demonstrated why they have not been "adequately answered."
- On what grounds does the author get to decide what is an "adequate" answer? His unremitting hostility to the Saints and the Church is clear—no answer is likely to satisfy him.
Response
- The author's claim is false: The answer is clear and has been answered by LDS apostles.
372
Claim
- The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If some spirits continue to be cursed with black skin because of their unrighteous behavior in the pre-mortal world, then why does that same unrighteous behavior now no longer disqualify them from the priesthood?"
Author's source(s)
- No source provided. The author does not demonstrate that he has even assessed LDS answers, much less demonstrated why they have not been "adequately answered."
- On what grounds does the author get to decide what is an "adequate" answer? His unremitting hostility to the Saints and the Church is clear—no answer is likely to satisfy him.
Response
- The author's claim is false: The answer is clear and has been answered by LDS apostles.
372
Claim
- The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If black skin is no longer a sign of a special curse, then does that mean white skin is no longer a sign of a special blessing?"
Author's source(s)
- No source provided. The author does not demonstrate that he has even assessed LDS answers, much less demonstrated why they have not been "adequately answered."
- On what grounds does the author get to decide what is an "adequate" answer? His unremitting hostility to the Saints and the Church is clear—no answer is likely to satisfy him.
Response
- The author's claim is false: The answer is clear and has been answered by LDS apostles.
372
Claim
- The book claims that following question has not been adequately answered: "If a racially mixed couple conceived a child before June 9, 1978, and in so doing sinned by mixing a cursed seed (Black) with an un-cursed seed (White), then after June 9, 1978, were they still guilty of the sin of race-mixing since Blacks were no longer cursed from the priesthood?"
Author's source(s)
- No source provided. The author does not demonstrate that he has even assessed LDS answers, much less demonstrated why they have not been "adequately answered."
- On what grounds does the author get to decide what is an "adequate" answer? His unremitting hostility to the Saints and the Church is clear—no answer is likely to satisfy him.
Response
- The author's claim is false: The answer is clear and has been answered by LDS apostles.
- Misrepresentation of source: Brigham Young on race mixing, as mentioned in the entry on p. 361, Brigham Young's remarks were not made in a context of 'marriage,' but in one of sexual exploitation.
- Inter-racial marriage a sin?
Endnotes
- [note] Gregory A. Prince and Wm. Robert Wright, David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism (Salt Lake City: University of Utah Press, 2005), 103-104. ISBN 0874808227.
- [note] Prince and Wright, 286, 289, 317-318.
- [note] Prince and Wright, 319.
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| {{To learn more box:responses to: David Persuitte}} | To learn more about responses to: David Persuitte | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Denver Snuffer}} | To learn more about responses to: Denver Snuffer | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Dick Bauer}} | To learn more about responses to: Dick Bauer | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Duwayne R Anderson}} | To learn more about responses to: Duwayne R Anderson | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Earl Wunderli}} | To learn more about responses to: Earl Wunderli | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Ed Decker}} | To learn more about responses to: Ed Decker | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Erikson and Giesler}} | To learn more about responses to: Erikson and Giesler | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Ernest Taves}} | To learn more about responses to: Ernest Taves | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Fawn Brodie}} | To learn more about responses to: Fawn Brodie | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: George D Smith}} | To learn more about responses to: George D Smith | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Grant Palmer}} | To learn more about responses to: Grant Palmer | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Hank Hanegraaff}} | To learn more about responses to: Hank Hanegraaff | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Hurlbut-Howe}} | To learn more about responses to: Hurlbut-Howe | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: James Brooke}} | To learn more about responses to: James Brooke | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: James Spencer}} | To learn more about responses to: James Spencer | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: James White}} | To learn more about responses to: James White | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner}} | To learn more about responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD}} | To learn more about responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: John Dehlin}} | To learn more about responses to: John Dehlin | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Jonathan Neville}} | To learn more about responses to: Jonathan Neville | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Kurt Van Gorden}} | To learn more about responses to: Kurt Van Gorden | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery}} | To learn more about responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne}} | To learn more about responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Luke WIlson}} | To learn more about responses to: Luke WIlson | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Marquardt and Walters}} | To learn more about responses to: Marquardt and Walters | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Martha Beck}} | To learn more about responses to: Martha Beck | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Mcgregor Ministries}} | To learn more about responses to: Mcgregor Ministries | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: McKeever and Johnson}} | To learn more about responses to: McKeever and Johnson | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: New Approaches}} | To learn more about responses to: New Approaches to the Book of Mormon | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Abanes}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard Abanes | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Van Wagoner}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard Van Wagoner | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Rick Grunger}} | To learn more about responses to: Rick Grunger | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Robert Ritner}} | To learn more about responses to: Robert Ritner | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Rod Meldrum}} | To learn more about responses to: Rod Meldrum | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Roger I Anderson}} | To learn more about responses to: Roger I Anderson | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Ronald V. Huggins}} | To learn more about responses to: Ronald V. Huggins | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Sally Denton}} | To learn more about responses to: Sally Denton | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Simon Southerton}} | To learn more about responses to: Simon Southerton | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Thomas Murphy}} | To learn more about responses to: Thomas Murphy | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Todd Compton}} | To learn more about responses to: Todd Compton | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Vernal Holley}} | To learn more about responses to: Vernal Holley | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Walter Martin}} | To learn more about responses to: Walter Martin | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Wesley Walters}} | To learn more about responses to: Wesley Walters | edit |
| {{To learn more box:responses to: Will Bagley}} | To learn more about responses to: Will Bagley | edit |