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*{{AuthorQuote|"Unrepentant abandonment to the 'lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life' (1 John 2:16) had caused Joseph's ruin; nothing more, nothing less."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Unrepentant abandonment to the 'lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life' (1 John 2:16) had caused Joseph's ruin; nothing more, nothing less."}} | ||
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*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*No source provided other than {{s|1|John|2|16}}. | *No source provided other than {{s|1|John|2|16}}. | ||
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====207, 548n12 (PB)==== | ====207, 548n12 (PB)==== | ||
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*Did Willard Richards have Samuel Smith murdered to prevent any succession issues? | *Did Willard Richards have Samuel Smith murdered to prevent any succession issues? | ||
*Samuel's wife accused the Nauvoo Chief of Police: Hosea Stout. | *Samuel's wife accused the Nauvoo Chief of Police: Hosea Stout. | ||
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*The following is on page 548 in the endnote: "Although Quinn explains in great depth the various reasons why it is probable that Stout killed Samuel, he adds a word of caution: 'This troubling allegation should not be ignored but cannot be verified.'" | *The following is on page 548 in the endnote: "Although Quinn explains in great depth the various reasons why it is probable that Stout killed Samuel, he adds a word of caution: 'This troubling allegation should not be ignored but cannot be verified.'" | ||
*The book does not make clear how Samuel's wife's suspicion that Hosea Stout killed her husband relates to Willard Richards possibly having "gone so far as to have Samuel murdered." | *The book does not make clear how Samuel's wife's suspicion that Hosea Stout killed her husband relates to Willard Richards possibly having "gone so far as to have Samuel murdered." | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=153}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=153}} | ||
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====207, 548n13 (PB)==== | ====207, 548n13 (PB)==== | ||
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*Polygamy was "being enjoyed" by certain members of the Twelve Apostles at the time of Joseph's death. | *Polygamy was "being enjoyed" by certain members of the Twelve Apostles at the time of Joseph's death. | ||
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* Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.{{ref|gds.1}} | * Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.{{ref|gds.1}} | ||
*[[../../Mind reading]] | *[[../../Mind reading]] | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=78}} | *{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=78}} | ||
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====211, 549n27 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n27 (PB)==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon thieves, who regularly stole from non-Mormons..."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon thieves, who regularly stole from non-Mormons..."}} | ||
*The book claims that this had been a long-standing complaint about Saints in the area since eight issues of the ''Warsaw Signal'' published in late 1844 and early 1845 included articles related to "Mormon Thieves." | *The book claims that this had been a long-standing complaint about Saints in the area since eight issues of the ''Warsaw Signal'' published in late 1844 and early 1845 included articles related to "Mormon Thieves." | ||
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*[[../../Notable omissions#211|Notable omissions: Warsaw Signal and Mormon thieves]] | *[[../../Notable omissions#211|Notable omissions: Warsaw Signal and Mormon thieves]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*Marshall Hamilton, "From Assassination to Expulsion: Two Years of Distrust, Hostility, and Violence," in Launius and Hallwas, 216. | *Marshall Hamilton, "From Assassination to Expulsion: Two Years of Distrust, Hostility, and Violence," in Launius and Hallwas, 216. | ||
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====211, 549n28 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n28 (PB)==== | ||
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*Did Joseph Smith tell Porter Rockwell that "it was right to steal?" | *Did Joseph Smith tell Porter Rockwell that "it was right to steal?" | ||
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*[[Joseph Smith taught 'it was right to steal']] | *[[Joseph Smith/Taught Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'|Joseph Smith taught Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'?]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=637}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=637}} | ||
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====211, 549n29 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n29 (PB)==== | ||
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*Did Orson Hyde say that it was OK to "steal & be influenced by the spirit of the Lord to do it" as long as it was against non-Mormons? | *Did Orson Hyde say that it was OK to "steal & be influenced by the spirit of the Lord to do it" as long as it was against non-Mormons? | ||
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*[[../../Use of sources/Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal|Use of sources: Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal|Use of sources: Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal]] | ||
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*Orson Hyde. Quoted in John Bennion, "John Bennion Journal," under October 13, 1860; cf. Brigham Young Office Journal, April 3, 1860. | *Orson Hyde. Quoted in John Bennion, "John Bennion Journal," under October 13, 1860; cf. Brigham Young Office Journal, April 3, 1860. | ||
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====211, 549n31-34 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n31-34 (PB)==== | ||
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*Did the Nauvoo police committ "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church? | *Did the Nauvoo police committ "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church? | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Nauvoo police violence|Use of sources:Nauvoo police violence]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Nauvoo police violence|Use of sources:Nauvoo police violence]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*Allen J. Stout, "Allen J. Stout Journal," under June 28, 1844, Utah State Historical Society, 14, online at <nowiki>http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/AStout.html.</nowiki> | *Allen J. Stout, "Allen J. Stout Journal," under June 28, 1844, Utah State Historical Society, 14, online at <nowiki>http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/AStout.html.</nowiki> | ||
*Hosea Stout, under February 22, 1845 and March 13, 1847, in Juanita Brooks, ed., ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 1, 22; 241. | *Hosea Stout, under February 22, 1845 and March 13, 1847, in Juanita Brooks, ed., ''On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout'', vol. 1, 22; 241. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=151, 643}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=151, 643}} | ||
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====212, 549n35-37 (PB)==== | ====212, 549n35-37 (PB)==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."}} | ||
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* If the number of murders is unknown, how can we be 'certain' that these three men committed most of them? | * If the number of murders is unknown, how can we be 'certain' that these three men committed most of them? | ||
* If three men are responsible for most of the (alleged) murders, then that is evidence for their perfidy, and not evidence of a general church policy of violence and murder. | * If three men are responsible for most of the (alleged) murders, then that is evidence for their perfidy, and not evidence of a general church policy of violence and murder. | ||
* The author has demolished his own argument. | * The author has demolished his own argument. | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*''History of the Church'', vol. 7, 446-447. | *''History of the Church'', vol. 7, 446-447. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=653}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=653}} | ||
*George Rockwell, letter to Thomas Rockwell, September 23, 1845. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=181}}. | *George Rockwell, letter to Thomas Rockwell, September 23, 1845. Quoted in {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=181}}. | ||
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====213, 549n38 (PB)==== | ====213, 549n38 (PB)==== | ||
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*Did Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde order Nauvoo's police force to kill an apostate named Lambert Symes, who "subsequently disappeared without a trace?" | *Did Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde order Nauvoo's police force to kill an apostate named Lambert Symes, who "subsequently disappeared without a trace?" | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: Indeed, Symes 'disappeared' so completely than there is no record of him ever existing! | *{{SourceDistortion}}: Indeed, Symes 'disappeared' so completely than there is no record of him ever existing! | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Killing Lambert Symes|Use of sources: Killing Lambert Symes]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Killing Lambert Symes|Use of sources: Killing Lambert Symes]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=181}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=181}} | ||
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====213, 550n41-43==== | ====213, 550n41-43==== | ||
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*Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman? | *Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman? | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Irvine Hodge murder|Use of sources: Irvine Hodge murder]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Irvine Hodge murder|Use of sources: Irvine Hodge murder]] | ||
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*William Hall, ''The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed'', 31-34. | *William Hall, ''The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed'', 31-34. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=217, 651}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=217, 651}} | ||
*Brigham Young. Quoted on an undated page of statements by Jehiel Savage, Charles B. Thompson, George J. Adams, and Joseph Younger. | *Brigham Young. Quoted on an undated page of statements by Jehiel Savage, Charles B. Thompson, George J. Adams, and Joseph Younger. | ||
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====213, 550n44-45 (PB)==== | ====213, 550n44-45 (PB)==== | ||
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*Were members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders? | *Were members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders? | ||
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*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty|Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty|Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty]] | ||
*[[Oath of vengeance]] | *[[Oath of vengeance]] | ||
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*Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903. | *Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903. | ||
*Clayton, under July 5, 1845. | *Clayton, under July 5, 1845. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=179}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=179}} | ||
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====213, 550n44 (PB)==== | ====213, 550n44 (PB)==== | ||
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*Was Jonathan Dunham killed because he had "ignored the prophet's direct order to lead the Nauvoo Legion in a rescue at Carthage Jail?" | *Was Jonathan Dunham killed because he had "ignored the prophet's direct order to lead the Nauvoo Legion in a rescue at Carthage Jail?" | ||
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* {{Forgery}} | * {{Forgery}} | ||
* The claims about Dunham are [[ | * The claims about Dunham are [[Joseph Smith/Martyrdom/Nauvoo Legion to rescue Joseph|extremely questionable]]. | ||
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*Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903; see {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=179}} | *Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903; see {{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=179}} | ||
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====214, 550n46==== | ====214, 550n46==== | ||
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*Did Nauvoo Police Chief Hosea Stout have three men flogged because they "were not in good fellowship?" | *Did Nauvoo Police Chief Hosea Stout have three men flogged because they "were not in good fellowship?" | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Flogging those out of fellowship|Flogging those out of fellowship]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Flogging those out of fellowship|Flogging those out of fellowship]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*Hosea Stout, under September 14, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 63. | *Hosea Stout, under September 14, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 63. | ||
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====214, 550n49-51==== | ====214, 550n49-51==== | ||
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*Were outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade?'" | *Were outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade?'" | ||
*Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?" | *Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?" | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Whistling and Whittling Brigades|Whistling and Whittling Brigades]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Whistling and Whittling Brigades|Whistling and Whittling Brigades]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]] | *William B. Pace, ''William B. Pace Autobiography''. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," ''BYU Studies'' (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. [http://byustudies.byu.edu/Products/MoreInfoPage/MoreInfo.aspx?Type=7&ProdID=1305 ''BYU Studies'' article PDF]] | ||
*{{CitationError}}: should be "Thurmon Dean Moody." | *{{CitationError}}: should be "Thurmon Dean Moody." | ||
*Jehiel Savage statement in minutes of the high council of James Strang's followers at Voree, Wisconsin, April 6, 1846. | *Jehiel Savage statement in minutes of the high council of James Strang's followers at Voree, Wisconsin, April 6, 1846. | ||
*Hosea Stout, under April 27, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 36. | *Hosea Stout, under April 27, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 36. | ||
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====216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)<br>550n62-65 (PB)==== | ====216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)<br>550n62-65 (PB)==== | ||
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*Do Government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins? | *Do Government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins? | ||
*Did that practice start "under Joseph's leadership?" | *Did that practice start "under Joseph's leadership?" | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph|Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph|Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph]] | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
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*Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''The Mormon Kingdom'', vol. 2, 51-64. | *Jerald and Sandra Tanner, ''The Mormon Kingdom'', vol. 2, 51-64. | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=127, 650-651}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=127, 650-651}} | ||
*''Warsaw Signal'', June 5, 1844. | *''Warsaw Signal'', June 5, 1844. | ||
*''St Louis American'', December 2, 1845. | *''St Louis American'', December 2, 1845. | ||
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*Did Brigham chose to start the exodus westward early because he was faced with the possibility of counterfeiting charges? | *Did Brigham chose to start the exodus westward early because he was faced with the possibility of counterfeiting charges? | ||
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* The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../Use_of_sources/Counterfeiting_apostles_and_Joseph|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted. | * The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../Use_of_sources/Counterfeiting_apostles_and_Joseph|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted. | ||
* {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | * {{Abanes:One Nation:Crime in Nauvoo}} | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
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====220, 553n77 (HB)==== | ====220, 553n77 (HB)==== | ||
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*Brigham "proudly admitted" "'I have been your dictator for twenty-seven years--over a quarter of a century I have dictated this people.'" | *Brigham "proudly admitted" "'I have been your dictator for twenty-seven years--over a quarter of a century I have dictated this people.'" | ||
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*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham, the Dictator|Use of sources: Brigham, the Dictator]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Brigham, the Dictator|Use of sources: Brigham, the Dictator]] | ||
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*Brigham Young, August 13, 1871, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_14/The_Gospel,_etc. ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 14, 205]. | *Brigham Young, August 13, 1871, [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_14/The_Gospel,_etc. ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 14, 205]. | ||
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====221-222, 551n84-87==== | ====221-222, 551n84-87==== | ||
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*Do Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property?" | *Do Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property?" | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Gentiles_have_no_right_to_property|Gentiles have no right to property?]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Gentiles_have_no_right_to_property|Gentiles have no right to property?]] | ||
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=46|vol=2|start=298|end=308}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Brigham Young|disc=46|vol=2|start=298|end=308}} | ||
*S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143. | *S[olomon] N. Carvalho, ''Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition'' 142-143. | ||
*{{HC1|vol=1|start=150}}; cf. {{s||DC|42|37}}. | *{{HC1|vol=1|start=150}}; cf. {{s||DC|42|37}}. | ||
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====222, 554n88 (HB)==== | ====222, 554n88 (HB)==== | ||
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*Did Brigham claim that God's kingdom had already come when he said: "[T]hat Kingdom is actually organized, and the inhabitants of earth do not [even] know it," | *Did Brigham claim that God's kingdom had already come when he said: "[T]hat Kingdom is actually organized, and the inhabitants of earth do not [even] know it," | ||
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*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and the Kingdom of God|Use of sources: Brigham and the Kingdom of God]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and the Kingdom of God|Use of sources: Brigham and the Kingdom of God]] | ||
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*Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 310]. | *Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 310]. | ||
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====222, 554n89 (HB)==== | ====222, 554n89 (HB)==== | ||
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*Brigham said: "[W]e will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth." | *Brigham said: "[W]e will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth." | ||
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*[[../../Use of sources/Ruling Over the Earth|Use of sources: Ruling Over the Earth]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Ruling Over the Earth|Use of sources: Ruling Over the Earth]] | ||
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*Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 317]. | *Young, July 8, 1855, in [http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Journal_of_Discourses/Volume_2/The_Kingdom_of_God ''Journal of Discourses'', vol. 2, 317]. | ||
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====223, 552n94==== | ====223, 552n94==== | ||
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*Did salvation depend upon obedience to Brigham Young? | *Did salvation depend upon obedience to Brigham Young? | ||
*When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?" | *When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?" | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Ettie V. Smith|Ettie V. Smith]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Ettie V. Smith|Ettie V. Smith]] | ||
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*Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith'', 201. | *Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, ''Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith'', 201. | ||
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====223, 552n95==== | ====223, 552n95==== | ||
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*Did Brigham Young believe that one day he "would himself become president of the United States, or dictate who should be president?" | *Did Brigham Young believe that one day he "would himself become president of the United States, or dictate who should be president?" | ||
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* [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Brigham_as_President_of_the_United_States|Brigham as President of U.S.?]] | * [[One_Nation_Under_Gods/Use_of_sources/Brigham_as_President_of_the_United_States|Brigham as President of U.S.?]] | ||
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*Hubert Howe Bancroft, ''History of Utah, 1540-1886'', 505. | *Hubert Howe Bancroft, ''History of Utah, 1540-1886'', 505. | ||
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====223, 552n96 (PB)==== | ====223, 552n96 (PB)==== | ||
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*John Taylor said "We used to have a difference between Church and State, but it is all one now..." | *John Taylor said "We used to have a difference between Church and State, but it is all one now..." | ||
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* [[../../Use of sources/Church and state all one now|Church and state all one now]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Church and state all one now|Church and state all one now]] | ||
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=John Taylor|disc=42|vol=5|start=266}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=John Taylor|disc=42|vol=5|start=266}} | ||
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====223, 552n97 (PB)==== | ====223, 552n97 (PB)==== | ||
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*{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon leaders ruled via a ruthlessly oppressive theocracy wherein they kept followers in line through violence and intimidation."}} | *{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon leaders ruled via a ruthlessly oppressive theocracy wherein they kept followers in line through violence and intimidation."}} | ||
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* {{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Heber C. Kimball--violence and intimidation|Heber C. Kimball--violence and intimidation]] | * {{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Heber C. Kimball--violence and intimidation|Heber C. Kimball--violence and intimidation]] | ||
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*{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=22|vol=2|start=107}} | *{{JDfairwiki|author=Heber C. Kimball|disc=22|vol=2|start=107}} | ||
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====224, 552n98 (PB)==== | ====224, 552n98 (PB)==== | ||
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*Was the Mormon Reformation was one of the most violent periods in Latter-day Saint history? | *Was the Mormon Reformation was one of the most violent periods in Latter-day Saint history? | ||
*Were there "numerous murders" committed at the request of Brigham Young and other Church leaders? | *Were there "numerous murders" committed at the request of Brigham Young and other Church leaders? | ||
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* The author cites only a late, notoriously anti-Mormon nineteenth-century polemic for this claim. | * The author cites only a late, notoriously anti-Mormon nineteenth-century polemic for this claim. | ||
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*Ann Eliza Young, ''Wife No. 19, or the Story of A Life In Bondage, Being A Complete Expose of Mormonism, and Revealing the Sorrows, Sacrifices and Sufferings of Women in Polygamy'', Chapter 18. | *Ann Eliza Young, ''Wife No. 19, or the Story of A Life In Bondage, Being A Complete Expose of Mormonism, and Revealing the Sorrows, Sacrifices and Sufferings of Women in Polygamy'', Chapter 18. | ||
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==Endnotes== | ==Endnotes== | ||
Revision as of 08:45, 13 February 2010
| Claims made in "Chapter 9: March to Martyrdom" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
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Claims made in "Chapter 11: Bloody Brigham" |
Claims made in "Chapter 10: A New Beginning"
205 (HB,PB)
Claim
- Author's quote: "Unrepentant abandonment to the 'lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life' (1 John 2:16) had caused Joseph's ruin; nothing more, nothing less."
Author's source(s)
- No source provided other than 1 John 2꞉16.
Response
207, 548n12 (PB)
Claim
- Did Willard Richards have Samuel Smith murdered to prevent any succession issues?
- Samuel's wife accused the Nauvoo Chief of Police: Hosea Stout.
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 153.
Response
- The following is on page 548 in the endnote: "Although Quinn explains in great depth the various reasons why it is probable that Stout killed Samuel, he adds a word of caution: 'This troubling allegation should not be ignored but cannot be verified.'"
- The book does not make clear how Samuel's wife's suspicion that Hosea Stout killed her husband relates to Willard Richards possibly having "gone so far as to have Samuel murdered."
207, 548n13 (PB)
Claim
- Polygamy was "being enjoyed" by certain members of the Twelve Apostles at the time of Joseph's death.
Author's source(s)
- Richard S. Van Wagoner, Mormon Polygamy: A History (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1989), 78.
Response
- Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.[1]
- Criticism of Mormonism/Books/Mind reading
211, 549n27 (PB)
Author's source(s)
- Marshall Hamilton, "From Assassination to Expulsion: Two Years of Distrust, Hostility, and Violence," in Launius and Hallwas, 216.
Response
- Notable omissions: Warsaw Signal and Mormon thieves
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
211, 549n28 (PB)
Claim
- Did Joseph Smith tell Porter Rockwell that "it was right to steal?"
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 637.
Response
- Joseph Smith taught Porter Rockwell 'it was right to steal'?
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
211, 549n29 (PB)
Claim
- Did Orson Hyde say that it was OK to "steal & be influenced by the spirit of the Lord to do it" as long as it was against non-Mormons?
Author's source(s)
- Orson Hyde. Quoted in John Bennion, "John Bennion Journal," under October 13, 1860; cf. Brigham Young Office Journal, April 3, 1860.
Response
211, 549n31-34 (PB)
Claim
- Did the Nauvoo police committ "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church?
Author's source(s)
- Allen J. Stout, "Allen J. Stout Journal," under June 28, 1844, Utah State Historical Society, 14, online at http://www.math.byu.edu/~smithw/Lds/LDS/Early-Saints/AStout.html.
- Hosea Stout, under February 22, 1845 and March 13, 1847, in Juanita Brooks, ed., On the Mormon Frontier: The Diary of Hosea Stout, vol. 1, 22; 241.
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 151, 643.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Use of sources:Nauvoo police violence
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
212, 549n35-37 (PB)
Claim
- Author's quote: "Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."
Author's source(s)
- History of the Church, vol. 7, 446-447.
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 653.
- George Rockwell, letter to Thomas Rockwell, September 23, 1845. Quoted in D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 181..
Response
- If the number of murders is unknown, how can we be 'certain' that these three men committed most of them?
- If three men are responsible for most of the (alleged) murders, then that is evidence for their perfidy, and not evidence of a general church policy of violence and murder.
- The author has demolished his own argument.
- Loaded and prejudicial language
213, 549n38 (PB)
Claim
- Did Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde order Nauvoo's police force to kill an apostate named Lambert Symes, who "subsequently disappeared without a trace?"
Author's source(s)
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 181.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Indeed, Symes 'disappeared' so completely than there is no record of him ever existing!
- Use of sources: Killing Lambert Symes
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
213, 550n41-43
Claim
- Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman?
Author's source(s)
- William Hall, The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed, 31-34.
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 217, 651.
- Brigham Young. Quoted on an undated page of statements by Jehiel Savage, Charles B. Thompson, George J. Adams, and Joseph Younger.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Use of sources: Irvine Hodge murder
213, 550n44-45 (PB)
Claim
- Were members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders?
Author's source(s)
- Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903.
- Clayton, under July 5, 1845.
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 179.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty
- Oath of vengeance
213, 550n44 (PB)
Claim
- Was Jonathan Dunham killed because he had "ignored the prophet's direct order to lead the Nauvoo Legion in a rescue at Carthage Jail?"
Author's source(s)
- Oliver B. Huntington, statement in "Seymour B. Young Diary," under May 23, 1903; see D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 179.
Response
- Uses forged documents as genuine!
- The claims about Dunham are extremely questionable.
214, 550n46
Claim
- Did Nauvoo Police Chief Hosea Stout have three men flogged because they "were not in good fellowship?"
Author's source(s)
- Hosea Stout, under September 14, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 63.
Response
- Flogging those out of fellowship
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
214, 550n49-51
Claim
- Were outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade?'"
- Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?"
Author's source(s)
- William B. Pace, William B. Pace Autobiography. Quoted in Dean Moody, "Nauvoo's Whistling and Whittling Brigade," BYU Studies (Summer 1975), vol. 15, 487. BYU Studies article PDF]
- Citation error: should be "Thurmon Dean Moody."
- Jehiel Savage statement in minutes of the high council of James Strang's followers at Voree, Wisconsin, April 6, 1846.
- Hosea Stout, under April 27, 1845, in Brooks, vol. 1, 36.
Response
- Whistling and Whittling Brigades
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)
550n62-65 (PB)
Claim
- Do Government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins?
- Did that practice start "under Joseph's leadership?"
Author's source(s)
- Jerald and Sandra Tanner, The Mormon Kingdom, vol. 2, 51-64.
- D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: Origins of Power (Signature Books, 1994), 127, 650-651.
- Warsaw Signal, June 5, 1844.
- St Louis American, December 2, 1845.
Response
- Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
217
Claim
- Did Brigham chose to start the exodus westward early because he was faced with the possibility of counterfeiting charges?
Author's source(s)
- No source provided.
Response
- The counterfeiting charges were likely a ploy to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted.
- Crime and violence in Nauvoo
- Kenneth W. Godfrey, "Crime and Punishment in Mormon Nauvoo, 1839-1846," Brigham Young University Studies 32 no. 1-2 (1991), 195-228. PDF link
- Loaded and prejudicial language
220, 553n77 (HB)
Claim
- Brigham "proudly admitted" "'I have been your dictator for twenty-seven years--over a quarter of a century I have dictated this people.'"
Author's source(s)
- Brigham Young, August 13, 1871, Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, 205.
Response
221-222, 551n84-87
Claim
- Do Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property?"
Author's source(s)
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 2:298-308.
- S[olomon] N. Carvalho, Incidents of Travel and Adventure in the Far West; with Col. Fremont's Last Expedition 142-143.
- History of the Church, 1:150. Volume 1 link; cf. DC 42꞉37.
Response
222, 554n88 (HB)
Claim
- Did Brigham claim that God's kingdom had already come when he said: "[T]hat Kingdom is actually organized, and the inhabitants of earth do not [even] know it,"
Author's source(s)
- Young, July 8, 1855, in Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 310.
Response
222, 554n89 (HB)
Claim
- Brigham said: "[W]e will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth."
Author's source(s)
- Young, July 8, 1855, in Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, 317.
Response
223, 552n94
Claim
- Did salvation depend upon obedience to Brigham Young?
- When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?"
Author's source(s)
- Quoted in Nelson Winch Green, Mormonism: its rise, progress, and present condition. Embracing the narrative of Mrs. Mary Ettie V. Smith, 201.
Response
223, 552n95
Claim
- Did Brigham Young believe that one day he "would himself become president of the United States, or dictate who should be president?"
Author's source(s)
- Hubert Howe Bancroft, History of Utah, 1540-1886, 505.
Response
223, 552n96 (PB)
Claim
- John Taylor said "We used to have a difference between Church and State, but it is all one now..."
Author's source(s)
- John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 5:266.
Response
223, 552n97 (PB)
Claim
- Author's quote: "Mormon leaders ruled via a ruthlessly oppressive theocracy wherein they kept followers in line through violence and intimidation."
Author's source(s)
- Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 2:107.
Response
- Misrepresentation of source: Heber C. Kimball--violence and intimidation
224, 552n98 (PB)
Claim
- Was the Mormon Reformation was one of the most violent periods in Latter-day Saint history?
- Were there "numerous murders" committed at the request of Brigham Young and other Church leaders?
Author's source(s)
- Ann Eliza Young, Wife No. 19, or the Story of A Life In Bondage, Being A Complete Expose of Mormonism, and Revealing the Sorrows, Sacrifices and Sufferings of Women in Polygamy, Chapter 18.
Response
- The author cites only a late, notoriously anti-Mormon nineteenth-century polemic for this claim.
Endnotes
- [note] George D. Smith, Nauvoo Polygamy: "...but we called it celestial marriage" (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2008), 310. ( Index of claims , (Detailed book review))
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