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*It worth remembering that the author earlier made a very [[../../Notable omissions|notable omission]] regarding the Saints trek westward: He makes no mention of the Mormon Battalion, who were conscripted during the harshest time during the exodus west from July 1846 to July 1847 during the Mexican-American War. This would have disrupted his carefully crafted picture of the Saints (and Brigham) as caring nothing for the United States.
*It worth remembering that the author earlier made a very [[../../Notable omissions|notable omission]] regarding the Saints trek westward: He makes no mention of the Mormon Battalion, who were conscripted during the harshest time during the exodus west from July 1846 to July 1847 during the Mexican-American War. This would have disrupted his carefully crafted picture of the Saints (and Brigham) as caring nothing for the United States.
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*Does the author mean to imply that the ''rest of the country'' was ''not'' racist in the late 1860s? The Civil Rights Movement didn't occur until the ''1960s''&mdash;about 100 years later.

Revision as of 04:06, 16 January 2009


Claims made in "Chapter 11: Bloody Brigham"
A FAIR Analysis of:
Criticism of Mormonism/Books
A work by author: Richard Abanes
 Claims made in "Chapter 13: Unholy Matrimony"

Claims made in "Chapter 12: Wars and Rumors of Wars"

Because the Saints saw the Civil War as a fulfillment of prophecy, its horrors actually brought them some degree of emotional satisfaction and comfort.
—One Nation Under Gods, p. 270

Some slaves actually fought for the Confederacy... [p. 269] It must be noted that there is some degree of controversy surrounding the assertion that Blacks fought for the Confederacy. Much of the disagreement may be semantic in nature—e.g., What exactly do the terms "slave," "Black," or "fight" mean?
—One Nation Under Gods, p. 269, 569 note 50.

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Page Claim Response Author's sources

256
  • Was Brigham considered a "king" over the territory?
  • No source provided.

257
  •  Author's quote: "At the outset of their confrontation with America, the Mormons clearly had an advantage."
  • Author's opinion.

260, n16
  • Did Brigham Young call for blood atonement in order to punish Washington politicians?

266, 568n38 (PB)
  • Did Heber C. Kimball promise that after the Civil War ended, that Latter-day Saints would become the "sole rulers over every other government?"

267, 568-9n39-47 (PB)
  • Was Joseph Smith's "Civil War prophecy" a false prophecy since "in 1832 a civil war beginning with South Carolina would have surprised no one?"
  • Paul H. Peterson, "Civil War Prophecy," in Daniel H. Ludlow, ed. Encyclopedia of Mormonism, vol. 1, 288.
  • DC 130꞉12-13
  • The Seer, 1854 (cited in main body text)
  • The Pearl of Great Price, 1851 (cited in main body text)
  • "South Carolina Ordinance of Nullification," November 24, 1832, in Paul Leicester Ford, The Federalist: A Commentary on the Constitution of the United Sates by Alexander Manilton, James Madison and John Jay.
  • "President Jackson's Proclamation REgarding Nullification," December 10, 1832, in Ford,.
  • Carol Bleser, ed Secret and Sacred: The Diaries of James Hummond, A Southern Slaveholder. Cited in James David, "Response to K.."
  • John Farkas, "False Prophecies Of Joseph Smith."
  • The Evening and Morning Star cited or quoted from the Morning Courier and New York Enquirer in June, July, August, December 1832; January, February, March, May, June (1833) and April 1834. The author notes that Jerald and Sandra Tanner propose a theory by which Joseph Smith formulated the "Civil War prophecy."

269, 569n48-49 (PB)
  • If the Civil War prophecy is true, then why is it that war was not brought to "all nations" as Joseph said it would be?
  • Marvin Cowan said that "[T]here is no more relationship between the Civil War and World Wars I and II than there is between the Spanish-American War and the Vietnam War!"
  • Jeff Lindsay, web site.
  • Marvin Cowan, Mormon Claims Answered. (no page provided)

269, 569n50 (PB)
  • The Civil War did not result in slaves rising up against their masters as the prophecy predicts. The author notes that "Some slaves actually fought for the Confederacy." The endnote qualfies the statement made in the main text: "It must be noted that there is some degree of controversy surrounding the assertion that Blacks fought for the Confederacy. Much of the disagreement may be semantic in nature—e.g., What exactly do the terms 'slave,' 'Black,' or 'fight' mean?"
  • Walter Williams, "Blacks Who Fought For the South," Washington Times.
  • Edward Spencer, "Annals of the War".
  • Kristen Peterson, "Black Confederates: Slaves or Soldiers?"Las Vegas Sun, August 19, 2000. (opposing view)

270, n51
  • Sandra Tanner said that the prophecy "was probably inspired by the fact that South Carolina had already rebelled before the revelation was given."

270
  •  Author's quote: "Because the Saints saw the Civil War as a fulfillment of prophecy, its horrors actually brought them some degree of emotional satisfaction and comfort."
  • Author's opinion.

270, 569n52
  • Why did Orson Hyde say: "Do I believe that the United States will be divided? yes, I do; and the prayers of all the Saints throughout the world should be to that effect?"

271

Was the death of "Col. Johnston," in the Civil War (of "Johnston's army" in Utah) on April 6 interpreted by Latter-day Saints as a sign of divine judgment?

  • No citation is provided.

271, 570n54
  • Was Utah's second governor, John W. Dawson, who replaced Governor Cummings in 1861 beaten by Latter-day Saints "so severely that he never fully recovered from his injuries?"
  • No citation is provided for the claim regarding the beating.
  • Alfred Cumming, letter dated March 1, 1860, Alfred Cumming Papers.

271, 570n55
  • Did Brigham Young state that too much education would be damaging to children? Young had stated:

We should never crowd and force the minds of our children beyond what they are able to bear. If we do we ruin them for life."

  • Brigham Young. Quoted in Scott G. Kenney, ed., Wilford Woodruff's Journal, 1833-1898, under January 1, 1861, vol. 5, 536.

273, n59
  • Did Heber C. Kimball say that the United States government was "dead, thank God, dead."
  • Harding. Quoted in Eugene E. Campbell, Establishing Zion: The Mormon Church in the American West, 1847-1869, 292.

276
  • The author states that when the Civil War ended, "the Mormons...had not sent a single soldier into the conflict, but instead had prayed for Christ's return and the establishment of Zion."
  • It worth remembering that the author earlier made a very notable omission regarding the Saints trek westward: He makes no mention of the Mormon Battalion, who were conscripted during the harshest time during the exodus west from July 1846 to July 1847 during the Mexican-American War. This would have disrupted his carefully crafted picture of the Saints (and Brigham) as caring nothing for the United States.
  • No source provided.

278
  •  Author's quote: "Blacks were emancipated (1860s), which in less than a hundred years would result in a backlash against Mormonism's racist spirituality."
  • Does the author mean to imply that the rest of the country was not racist in the late 1860s? The Civil Rights Movement didn't occur until the 1960s—about 100 years later.
  • The author makes no mention of the fact that the "Curse of Ham" was a Protestant invention that was used to justify the practice of slavery. Instead, he portrays "the Mormons" as being behind the times for the next hundred years.
  • The author forgets that most Protestant denominations did not have integrated congregations for the next hundred years at least.
  • The "curse of Cain" and "curse of Ham"
  • Abanes' double standard on racism
  • Loaded and prejudicial language
  • Author's opinion.

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