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|452||"Joseph Smith's diaries [are] silent on his courtships and marriages." | | | ||
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*The History of the Church was largely based on Joseph's diaries. It is therefore not surprising that Joseph's polygamy is not detailed there, when not detailed in the main primary source. | *The History of the Church was largely based on Joseph's diaries. It is therefore not surprising that Joseph's polygamy is not detailed there, when not detailed in the main primary source. | ||
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|453||The only mention of a marriage by Joseph is in April 1842; "The History of the Church deleted even that one citation." | | | ||
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*A lone citation might make little sense without context. | *A lone citation might make little sense without context. | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
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|473||"…the polygamous family associations of Joseph Smith, and now even Brigham Young, are not acknowledged in LDS gatherings…." | | | ||
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*There is no evidence provided of this assertion. | *There is no evidence provided of this assertion. | ||
*The Encyclopedia of Mormonism, institute manuals, and LDS historians also discuss plural marriage in Joseph and others. | *The ''Encyclopedia of Mormonism'', institute manuals, and LDS historians also discuss plural marriage in Joseph and others. | ||
*[[Brigham_Young_and_polygamy]] | *[[Brigham_Young_and_polygamy]] | ||
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*No source provided. | *No source provided. | ||
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|513||Munster Anabaptists' practices were "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry." | | | ||
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||Munster Anabaptists' practices were "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry." | |||
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*The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level. | *The historical comparison is inaccurate on virtually every level. | ||
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*This is not a parallel, but a contrast. | *This is not a parallel, but a contrast. | ||
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*Williams, Radical Reformation, 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims. | *Williams, ''Radical Reformation'', 3d. ed., 570; no reference for the LDS claims. | ||
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|532||Hyde…might have been sensitized by Joseph Smith's 1831 suggestion of plural marriage to Native Americans and therefore judged the Cochranites less harshly than otherwise. | | | ||
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*What G. D. Smith does not tell us is that Hyde’s attitude to the Cochranites’ free love was wholly negative, as his source for the journal indicates. Wonderful is here not being used in the sense of “excit[ing] . . . admiration” but, rather, “strange; astonishing.” Elsewhere anxious that we not misunderstand Victorian idiom, G. D. Smith here provides the reader no help (pp. 41–42). It is not clear that Hyde would have agreed that his marriage partook of the same “lustful spirit.” | *What G. D. Smith does not tell us is that Hyde’s attitude to the Cochranites’ free love was wholly negative, as his source for the journal indicates. Wonderful is here not being used in the sense of “excit[ing] . . . admiration” but, rather, “strange; astonishing.” Elsewhere anxious that we not misunderstand Victorian idiom, G. D. Smith here provides the reader no help (pp. 41–42). It is not clear that Hyde would have agreed that his marriage partook of the same “lustful spirit.” | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=8}} | *{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=8}} | ||
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|535||Joseph Smith had offered a time frame for Jesus' return, deciding that 'fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people.' He made this assessment in February 1835." | | | ||
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||Joseph Smith had offered a time frame for Jesus' return, deciding that 'fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people.' He made this assessment in February 1835." | |||
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*It is not clear why Smith chooses to quote from Walker's diary. | *It is not clear why Smith chooses to quote from Walker's diary. | ||
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*Diary of Charles Lowell Walker, 2:522. | *Diary of Charles Lowell Walker, 2:522. | ||
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|535-536||Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. | | | ||
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||Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. | |||
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*G. D. Smith leaves unmentioned the study’s observation that Orderville was somewhat unique because “one suspects that membership in Mormondom’s most successful attempt to establish the United Order may have required a commitment to plural matrimony. Unlike the pattern that usually prevailed in Mormon towns, many young men of Orderville entered the celestial order when they first married or soon thereafter.” Nearby Kanab was less successful in its communal economy and had less than half as many polygamists. Furthermore, all of southern Utah was more likely to be polygamist than Utah as a whole, for similar reasons. | *G. D. Smith leaves unmentioned the study’s observation that Orderville was somewhat unique because “one suspects that membership in Mormondom’s most successful attempt to establish the United Order may have required a commitment to plural matrimony. Unlike the pattern that usually prevailed in Mormon towns, many young men of Orderville entered the celestial order when they first married or soon thereafter.” Nearby Kanab was less successful in its communal economy and had less than half as many polygamists. Furthermore, all of southern Utah was more likely to be polygamist than Utah as a whole, for similar reasons. | ||
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*Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” Journal of Mormon History 11 (1984): 27–42. | *Lowell “Ben” Bennion, “The Incidence of Mormon Polygamy in 1880: ‘Dixie’ Versus Davis Stake,” ''Journal of Mormon History'' 11 (1984): 27–42. | ||
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|541||"The leaders in Salt Lake…failed to comprehend how unsavoury it appeared for a man of high priesthood rank to claim the wife of someone of lower status if a missionary's wife was loaned to someone else during the husband's absence." | | | ||
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*G.D. Smith grossly mischaracterizes the doctrine on this point. | *G.D. Smith grossly mischaracterizes the doctrine on this point. | ||
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*The new wiki article on the 6 Oct 1866 talk by BY. | *The new wiki article on the 6 Oct 1866 talk by BY. | ||
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*S. George Ellsworth, ed., The Journals of Addison Pratt (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, Intimate Chronicle, 227n. | *S. George Ellsworth, ed., ''The Journals of Addison Pratt'' (SLC: U of Utah Press, 1990), 515; Smith, ''Intimate Chronicle'', 227n. | ||
*CHECK THESE!! | *CHECK THESE!! | ||
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*{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=37-46}} | *{{CriticalWork:Van Wagoner:Mormon Polygamy|pages=37-46}} | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=34, 442-44}} | *{{CriticalWork:Brodie:No Man Knows|pages=34, 442-44}} | ||
*Newel and Avery | *{{CriticalWOrk:Newel and Avery:Mormon Enigma|pages=100-01}} | ||
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|546||Communist author Friedrich Engels wrote "that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes into the foreground." | | | ||
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*Using the author of the Communist Manifesto may serve to prejudice readers. | *Using the author of the Communist Manifesto may serve to prejudice readers. | ||
*Latter-day Saints (despite the efforts of their critics like G.D. Smith) never taught or endorsed "free love." | *Latter-day Saints (despite the efforts of their critics like G.D. Smith) never taught or endorsed "free love." | ||
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*Hill, World Turned Upside Down, 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow). | *Hill, ''World Turned Upside Down'', 247; citing Engel's manuscript, "The Book of Revelation," (1883, published in 20th century in Moscow). | ||
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|546||"Tours of [Brigham Young's] Salt Lake City home, the Beehive House, notably omit mention of Young's numerous wives." | |546||"Tours of [Brigham Young's] Salt Lake City home, the Beehive House, notably omit mention of Young's numerous wives." | ||
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*This claim is false as of the summer of 2008. A FAIR member went on the tour, and Brigham's many wives and children were mentioned frequently. | *This claim is false as of the summer of 2008. A FAIR member went on the tour, and Brigham's many wives and children were mentioned frequently.{{ref|gls1}} | ||
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*No sources given. | *No sources given. | ||
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|547||"Dana Miller of Idaho Falls was told by his church leaders that 'men will have more than one wife in the celestial kingdom. It's doctrinal.'" | | | ||
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*Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say. | *Who were Miller's "church leaders"? A bishop? A stake president? An elders' quorum president? High priests' group leader? Did he interpret what he was told correctly? There is, of course, no way to say. | ||
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*Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''. | *Dana Miller, "Celestial Polygamy," May 9, 2008, Public Forum letter to the ''Salt Lake Tribune''. | ||
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==Endnotes== | |||
#{{note|gls1}} Gregory L. Smith, personal communication to FAIR, 22 December 2008 (used with permission). |
Chapter 7 | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: George D. Smith
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"Joseph Smith's diaries [are] silent on his courtships and marriages." |
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The only mention of a marriage by Joseph is in April 1842; "The History of the Church deleted even that one citation." |
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"…the polygamous family associations of Joseph Smith, and now even Brigham Young, are not acknowledged in LDS gatherings…." |
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Munster Anabaptists' practices were "reminiscent of Brigham Young's policies," and "over hundred women were allowed to divorce the men they had been forced to marry." |
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Hyde…might have been sensitized by Joseph Smith's 1831 suggestion of plural marriage to Native Americans and therefore judged the Cochranites less harshly than otherwise. |
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Joseph Smith had offered a time frame for Jesus' return, deciding that 'fifty-six years should wind up the scene and the Saviour should come to his people.' He made this assessment in February 1835." |
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Before 1890 “the number of [polygamy] practitioners had expanded exponentially.” In support of this, we are told that "67 percent in Orderville, Utah" were polygamists. |
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"The leaders in Salt Lake…failed to comprehend how unsavoury it appeared for a man of high priesthood rank to claim the wife of someone of lower status if a missionary's wife was loaned to someone else during the husband's absence." |
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541 | [continued from above] "Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had set such examples." |
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Communist author Friedrich Engels wrote "that with every great revolutionary movement the question of 'free love' comes into the foreground." |
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546 | "Tours of [Brigham Young's] Salt Lake City home, the Beehive House, notably omit mention of Young's numerous wives." |
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"Dana Miller of Idaho Falls was told by his church leaders that 'men will have more than one wife in the celestial kingdom. It's doctrinal.'" |
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