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So, Christians whose ideas were completely orthodox earlier would have been considered ‘heretics’ (i.e. going against the accepted doctrine) after the Nicean councils. This seems to be clear evidence that the doctrine was radically changed. | So, Christians whose ideas were completely orthodox earlier would have been considered ‘heretics’ (i.e. going against the accepted doctrine) after the Nicean councils. This seems to be clear evidence that the doctrine was radically changed. | ||
One also notes that Paul and the other New Testament writers would have been likewise ‘unorthodox’. Eusebius, an early Church historian, was even termed "blatantly subordinationist" by a Catholic author.{{ref|richard1}} | |||
Even after the Trinitarian ideas were formed, there were three ‘camps’ of believers that understood the matter in very different ways: | Even after the Trinitarian ideas were formed, there were three ‘camps’ of believers that understood the matter in very different ways: | ||
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===What about John 10:30?=== | ===What about John 10:30?=== | ||
[http://scriptures.lds.org/john/10/30#30 John 10:30] was an important scripture in the early debates discussed above. | |||
One author wrote of it: | |||
:[John 10:30] was a key verse in the early Trinitarian controversies. On the one extreme, the onarchians (Sabellians) interpreted it to mean "one person", although the "one" is neuter, not masculine. On the other extreme, the Arians interpreted this text, which was often used against them, in terms of moral unity of will. The Protestant commentator Engel, following Augustine, sums up the Orthodox position: "Through the word "are" Sabellius is refuted; through the word one" so is Arius.." [In the Gospel of] John... all these relationships between Father and Son are described in function of the one's dealings with men. It would be up to the work of later theologians to take this gospel material pertaining to the mission of the Son add extra and draw from it a theology of the inner life of the Trinity.{{ref|brown1}} | |||
Note that “one” in this verse is neuter, not masculine. In Greek, the masculine would be used to indicate a oneness of person or being, and neuter implies a oneness of purpose. So, read literally the verse merely says that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose or will: only a belief in the Trinity at the outset would lead one to read this as a Trinitarian passage. | |||
Note also that later theologians had to contribute ‘extra’ information to solve the problem. This extra eventually resulted in the Trinitarian formulae of today. | |||
===What about 1 John 5:7–8=== | ===What about 1 John 5:7–8=== | ||
[http://scriptures.lds.org/1_john/5/7#8 1 John 7-8] reads: | |||
:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. | |||
These verses are considered to have been added to the Bible text. Said one conservative reference work: | |||
:...the acceptance of this verse [i.e. the Johannine comma: 1 John 5:7-8] as genuine breaks almost every major canon of textual [criticism]{{ref|geisler1}} | |||
Historian Paul Johnson notes: | |||
:Altogether there are about 4,700 relevant manuscripts, and at least 100,000 quotations or allusions in the early fathers . . .Thus, the Trinitarian texts in the first Epistle of John, which make explicit what other texts merely hint at, originally read simply: 'There are three which bear witness, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are one.' This was altered in the fourth century to read: 'There are three which bear witness on earth, the spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are one in Christ Jesus; and there are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one.'{{ref|johnson1}} | |||
So, the early Christians never referred to these verses in their writings. The verse in the early Greek manuscripts simply says: | |||
:''There are three which bear witness, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are one.'' | |||
But, in the 4th century, the verse had words added to it to support the ‘new’ orthodox doctrine of the Trinity: | |||
:''There are three which bear witness on earth, the spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are one in Christ Jesus; and there are three who bear witness in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Spirit, and these three are one.'' | |||
===Why, then, was Nicean Trinitarian introduced at all?=== | ===Why, then, was Nicean Trinitarian introduced at all?=== | ||
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#{{note|bethune-baker1}} IF Bethune-Baker, ''An Introduction to the Early History of Christian Doctrine'', 8th edition, (London: Methuen, 1949), 171. (emphasis added) | #{{note|bethune-baker1}} IF Bethune-Baker, ''An Introduction to the Early History of Christian Doctrine'', 8th edition, (London: Methuen, 1949), 171. (emphasis added) | ||
#{{note|sanders1}} John Sanders; cited in Clark Pinnock, Richard Rice, John Sanders, William Hasker, and David Basinger, ''The Openness of God: A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional Understanding of God'' (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 1994), 60. | #{{note|sanders1}} John Sanders; cited in Clark Pinnock, Richard Rice, John Sanders, William Hasker, and David Basinger, ''The Openness of God: A Biblical Challenge to the Traditional Understanding of God'' (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 1994), 60. | ||
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#{{note|lindbeck1}}George A. Lindbeck (Professor of Historical Theology, Yale University) ''The Nature of Doctrine'' (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1984), 92. | #{{note|lindbeck1}}George A. Lindbeck (Professor of Historical Theology, Yale University) ''The Nature of Doctrine'' (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1984), 92. | ||
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#{{note|fitzmeyr1}} J Fitzmyer, ''Pauline Theology: A Brief Sketch'' (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey): Prentice-Hall, 1967), 42. | #{{note|fitzmeyr1}} J Fitzmyer, ''Pauline Theology: A Brief Sketch'' (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey): Prentice-Hall, 1967), 42. | ||
#{{note|mcbrain1}}Richard P. McBrian, ''Catholicism'' (Minneapolis: Winston Press, 1980), 347. | #{{note|mcbrain1}}Richard P. McBrian, ''Catholicism'' (Minneapolis: Winston Press, 1980), 347. | ||
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#{{note|brown1}} Raymond E. Brown, ''The Gospel According to John –XII'' (Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Co. Inc.), 403, 407. | |||
#{{ref|geisler1}} Norman L. Geisler and William E. Nix, ''A General Introduction to the Bible'' (Chicago, Moody Press, 1968), 370. | |||
#{{ref|johnson1}} Paul Johnson, A History of Christianity, (New York: Touchstone, 1976), 26–27. ISBN 684815036. | |||
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#{{note|aland1}} Kurt Aland, ''A History of Christianity'' (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1985), 1:190. | #{{note|aland1}} Kurt Aland, ''A History of Christianity'' (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1985), 1:190. |
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Critics claim that because the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint does not accept the Nicene Creed's statement about the Trinity, they are not Christian.
Since the Nicene Creed was first adopted in A.D. 325, it seems clear that there were many Christians in the first centuries following the resurrection of Christ who did not use it. Those who oppose calling the Latter-day Saints "Christians" need to explain whether Peter and Paul are "Christians," since they lived and practiced Christianity at a time when there was no Nicene Creed, and no Trinitarianism in the current sense.
Critics may try to argue that the Nicene Creed is merely a statement of Biblical principles, but Bible scholarship is very clear that the Nicene Creed was a novelty and an innovation.
No. There is abundant evidence that “Trinitarianism”, as now understood by the majority of Protestants and Catholics was not present in the Early Christian Church.
in all forms of rational Theism. Judaism, Islam, and rational Theism are Unitarian. On the other hand, we must honestly admit that the doctrine of the Trinity did not form part of the early Christian-New Testament-message. Certainly, it cannot be denied that not only the word "Trinity", but even the explicit idea of the Trinity is absent from the apostolic witness of the faith. The doctrine of the Trinity itself, however, is not a Biblical Doctrine...[1]
We do know that Christian orthodoxy before Nicaea was not the Trinitarian creeds now popular:
'Subordinationism', it is true, was pre-Nicean orthodoxy.[2]
‘Subordinationism’ is a doctrine which means that Jesus and/or the Holy Ghost are ‘subordinate’ or ‘subject’ to God the Father. In subordinationism, Jesus must be a separate being from the Father, because you can’t be subject to yourself! This was the orthodox position before the Nicean council. Ideas that were once orthodox were later considered unacceptable after the councils altered and added to the doctrine.
And:
So, Christians whose ideas were completely orthodox earlier would have been considered ‘heretics’ (i.e. going against the accepted doctrine) after the Nicean councils. This seems to be clear evidence that the doctrine was radically changed.
One also notes that Paul and the other New Testament writers would have been likewise ‘unorthodox’. Eusebius, an early Church historian, was even termed "blatantly subordinationist" by a Catholic author.[5]
Even after the Trinitarian ideas were formed, there were three ‘camps’ of believers that understood the matter in very different ways:
If such was the teaching of Athanasius and his allies [i.e. homoousious as numerical unity of substance, rather than ‘the same kind of being’ in the three persons of the Godhead] , at least three types of theology found shelter at different times in the anti-Nicean camp. The first, indefinite, on occasion ambiguous on the crucial issues, but on the whole conciliatory, reflects the attitude of the great conservative 'middle party'.... It's positive doctrine is that there are three divine hypostases [i.e. persons], separate in rank and glory but united in harmony of will.[6]
Thus, most believers initially believed that there were three persons with a united will. It was only later that this group was “won over” to Athanasius and his group’s brand of Trinitarianism, which is the basis for today’s understanding in most of Christianity. Indeed, Athanasius and his cadre were decidedly in the minority:
And, there is a noted tendency for some Christian writers to assume that the way they understand the nature of God is the only way in which anyone could have understood it. An evangelical scholar notes:
Note that this author says that many of “the crucial concepts” are “post-biblical novelties”: that is, they are new ideas that arrived on the scene after the Bible was written. If the crucial concepts weren’t around until later, then the doctrine wasn’t around until later either. As the author notes, these ideas arose out of the “Hellenistic milieu”, that is: Greek philosophy.
New ideas and concepts were required.
A Catholic encyclopedia notes that Trinitarianism doesn’t really appear until the last 25 years of the 4th century:
A Jesuit [Catholic] scholar says this:
The idea of “three” is present: but not as ‘three co-equal divine persons’ that are one being. An idea about the nature of God (or the Godhead) is present, but it is different from that which is taught as Trinitarianism.
Two authors even assert that the Apostle Paul, the four gospels, and Acts have no Trinitarian understanding:
And:
So, Paul doesn’t even ‘realize’ that there is a ‘Trinitarian problem’. Could this be because for Paul there was no such problem, because the doctrine was unknown to him? It was not an issue in his era, because it was not taught by Jesus or the Apostles, and no one felt the need to reconcile divine revelation with Greek philosophy.
One author asserts that the Trinity is correct, but readily admits that:
John 10:30 was an important scripture in the early debates discussed above.
One author wrote of it:
Note that “one” in this verse is neuter, not masculine. In Greek, the masculine would be used to indicate a oneness of person or being, and neuter implies a oneness of purpose. So, read literally the verse merely says that Jesus and the Father are one in purpose or will: only a belief in the Trinity at the outset would lead one to read this as a Trinitarian passage.
Note also that later theologians had to contribute ‘extra’ information to solve the problem. This extra eventually resulted in the Trinitarian formulae of today.
1 John 7-8 reads:
These verses are considered to have been added to the Bible text. Said one conservative reference work:
Historian Paul Johnson notes:
So, the early Christians never referred to these verses in their writings. The verse in the early Greek manuscripts simply says:
But, in the 4th century, the verse had words added to it to support the ‘new’ orthodox doctrine of the Trinity:
Simply put, people tried a ‘new’ way of talking about God because of disputes about the nature and mission of Christ. In the LDS view, this is because the loss of revelation to the Apostles (due to the apostasy) meant that Christianity was divided about key issues. No one had a good way to resolve the questions, and so they turned to the best intellectual tools they had—they merged Christian theology with Greek philosophy.
Some modern Christians wish to apply a "doctrinal exclusion" to declare who is or isn't Christian. Such definitions are generally self-serving, and not very helpful. With the Nicene Creed, critics are ironically in the position of using a definition that would exclude all Christians for more than two centuries after Christ from the Christian fold.
These passages are succinct summaries. If a critic wishes to justify his or her belief in the creedal Trinity, they must rely on tradition and the creeds of the 4th century, and abandon claims of scriptural or historical support for such a belief in early Christianity, including among the apostles and those they taught.
Since the LDS believe in an apostasy from true doctrine, they see the creedal Trinitarianism—which is an admitted novelty in the centuries after Christ—as evidence of it.
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