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Response to claims made in "Chapter 3: Nauvoo, 1840"


Chapter 2
A work by author: Sally Denton
 Chapter 4

23

Claim
 Author's quote: Having suffered beatings and tarrings at the hands of Mormon baiters years earlier, and having faced impending death at various junctures, Smith sensed rightly that events in Nauvoo would be the grand finale of his life.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  Internal contradiction: The author earlier characterized Joseph's persecutions as "imaginary"


23 - Building a spired marble temple took precedence over everything else

The author(s) of American Massacre make(s) the following claim:

 Author's quote: Building a spired marble temple took precedence over everything else…

Author's sources: No source provided.

FAIR's Response

  •  History unclear or in error: the Nauvoo temple was made of limestone that was quarried locally, not marble which would have required importation.

23-24

Claim
Joseph's "falling out" with John C. Bennett is claimed to have been over a woman that "each desired as a plural wife."

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  • In fact, Bennett was given multiple opportunities to reform his ways before being excommunicated.
  • For a detailed response, see: John C. Bennett


24

Claim
Nauvoo was claimed to be "the first genuine theocracy in American history."

Author's source(s)

Response


24

Claim
The Council of Fifty was "a group of princes" who would rule the "Mormon empire."

Author's source(s)

  • David L. Bigler, Forgotten Kingdom: The Mormon Theocracy in the American West, 1847–1896 (Logan, Utah: Utah State University Press, 1998), 24. (bias and errors) Review

Response

  •  History unclear or in error: The Council of Fifty included non-Mormons as members.
  • For a detailed response, see: The Council of Fifty


25

Claim
Joseph had himself ordained "king" during the time that he was running for President.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response


25

Claim
Joseph had a "narcissistic" "theme of deceiving self and others."

Author's source(s)

  • Robert D. Anderson, Inside the Mind of Joseph Smith, p. 225.

Response


26

Claim
 Author's quote: Nauvoo, unlike Kirtland, had become the sanctuary for strange ceremonials and shrouded rites many members found increasingly alien and offensive…

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  Internal contradiction: The author earlier stated that these things were introduced in Kirtland
  • On page 14, speaking of Kirtland, the author states: "He then initiated the secret rituals that would further repel their conventional Christian neighbors-anointings, endowments, proxy baptisms, visions, healings, writhing ecstasies, and, especially, the concepts of 'eternal progression' and 'celestial marriage.'"
  •  History unclear or in error: Proxy baptisms were not introduced until Nauvoo, they were not known at Kirtland. Healings and visions were present from the Church's very beginnings. "Writhing ecstasies" were condemned by LDS scripture by 1831 (see DC 50).


26

Claim
A "Mormon historian," (Will Bagley) claims that celestial marriage "allowed the most ordinary backwoodsman to become a god and rule over worlds of his own creation with as many wives as his righteousness could sustain."

Author's source(s)

Response


26

Claim
"One historian" (Will Bagley) claimed that Joseph "plunged into new sealings to married women, sisters, and very young girls."

Author's source(s)

Response


27

Claim
The founders of the Nauvoo Expositor were "men who knew too much."

Author's source(s)

Response


27

Claim
 Author's quote: Smith ordered the Nauvoo Legion to storm the newspaper, destroy the press, and burn all extant issues.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided

Response

  •  History unclear or in error
  • The Nauvoo City Council (which included some non-Mormon members) ordered the destruction of the Expositor.
  • The suppression of the paper was legal for the day.


27

Claim
The author claims that "the constitutional defenders of the First Amendment" called for Joseph Smith's arrest after the destruction of the Expositor.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  • The suppression of the paper was legal for the day.
  •  History unclear or in error: The First Amendment did not apply to local or state governments until after the Civil War.


28

Claim
The book claims that Joseph sent orders to the Nauvoo Legion from Carthage Jail to come and free him.

Author's source(s)

Response


28

Claim
The author claims that "lore had it" that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal "before calling out: 'Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son?"

Author's source(s)

Response

  •  History unclear or in error
  • This is very sloppy research. Despite citing so many sources, the author gets the history wrong. There is no record of Joseph saying more than "Oh Lord, my God."
  • In addition, the author states that Joseph gave the Masonic distress signal before calling out this phrase. In reality, the full phrase "Oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son" is the Masonic distress signal!


29

Claim
The author claims that Joseph's death was "second in importance only to that of Jesus Christ."

Author's source(s)

  • Eliza Snow, Times and Seasons 5 (July 1, 1844), quoted in Hallwas and Launius, 237.

Response


29

Claim
Allen J. Stout's journal says that he will avenge Joseph's blood to the fourth generation.

Author's source(s)

  • Stout journal, June 28, 1844.

Response

  • From the cited source:

"Their dead bodies were brought to Nauvoo where I saw their beloved forms reposing in the arms of death, which gave me such feelings as I am not able to describe. But I there and then resolved in my mind that I would never let an opportunity slip unimproved of avenging their blood upon the head of the enemies of the Church of Jesus Christ. I felt as though I could not live. I knew not how to contain myself, and when I see one of the men who persuaded them to give up to be tried, I feel like cutting their throats. And I hope to live to avenge their blood, but if I do not, I will teach my children to never cease to try to avenge their blood and then their children and children's children to the fourth generation as long as there is one descendant of the murderers upon the earth." off-site

  • Stout vows vengeance only on "the murderers" and their kin. Despite his anger at those who had encouraged Joseph and Hyrum to surrender, he does not take action against them. The relevance of this to the Mountain Meadows Massacre is, then, not clear.
  • For a detailed response, see: Oath of vengeance


29

Claim
D. Michael Quinn said that Joseph "failed to clarify for the highest leadership of the church the precise method of succession God intended."

Author's source(s)

Response


30

Claim
Sidney Rigdon is claimed to have "recently apostatized over Smith's attempted seduction of his daughter in to a polygamous marriage."

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response


31

Claim
 Author's quote: Knowing he could not compete with Smith as a seer...

Author's source(s)

  • T.B.H. Stenhouse, 209.

Response

  •  Mind reading: author has no way of knowing this.
  • Stenhouse (the author's source) did not become a member of the Church until after Joseph's death, and he joined the Church in England. He was in no position at all to know Sidney's thoughts or capabilities in the matter.
  •  The author's claim is false: Sidney's later post-Mormon religious activities show him to be quite convinced that he can deliver oracles from God as Joseph did.


32

Claim
The temple is claimed to have "placed under themost sacred obligations to avenge the blood of the Prophet, whenever an opportunity offered, and to teach their children to do the same."

Author's source(s)

  • John D. Lee in Henrie, 147.

Response


32

Claim
It is claimed that the "entire Mormon people [became] sworn and avowed enemies of the American nation."

Author's source(s)

  • Lee in Henrie, 147.

Response


36

Claim
Brodie's claim that when Brigham spoke in the Adamic language, it "thus acquired status in the Church."

Author's source(s)

Response

  •  Quotes another author's opinion as if it were fact


36

Claim
The author claims that Brigham "disposed of his rivals." Stanley P. Hirshson is quoted as claiming that Nauvoo became a "police state."

Author's source(s)

  • Stanley P. Hirshson, "The Lion of the Lord," 61.

Response

  • From the cited source:

Engulfed by dissension from within and without, Young established in Nauvoo a police state. When he returned to the town after Smith's death and was served with several writs, he strapped on a pair of six-shooters and vowed he would kill any man who handed him another summons or grabbed hold of him. Until he left Nauvoo, he wore those guns. (pp 61-62)

  • Note the following from the Journal of Discourses:

"When the mantle of Joseph Smith fell upon Brigham Young, the enemies of God and His kingdom sought to inaugurate a similar career for President Young; but he took his revolver from his pocket at the public stand in Nauvoo, and declared that upon the first attempt of an officer to read a writ to him in a State that had violated its plighted faith in the murder of the Prophet and Patriarch while under arrest, he should serve the contents of this writ (holding his loaded revolver in his hand) first; to this the vast congregation assembled said, Amen. He was never arrested." (George A. Smith, Journal of Discourses 13:110.)


36

Claim
The author claims that John D. Lee was "an integral component in the new power structure" after Joseph's death.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  • The author must provide evidence for this assertion. Even if Lee was part of the LDS lay leadership, this does nothing to prove that his actions were sanctioned by his superiors.


37

Claim
The author claims that Emma and other Smith relatives returned to Far West and founded the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  History unclear or in error: The RLDS church was organized in Amboy, Illinois. Emma Smith lived in Nauvoo, Illinois until her death. Emma did not encourage or organize the RLDS church; when her son, Joseph Smith III, agreed to take its leadership, she traveled to the inaugural meeting to support him.


37

Claim
The author claims that Joseph wanted people to receive their endowments for the "Mormon road to heaven."

Author's source(s)

  • Nelson Winch Green, "Fifteen Years Among the Mormons," 41.

Response

  •  Misrepresentation of source: The cited source says nothing about Joseph Smith at all. It is an anti-Mormon expose of the endowment ceremonies.
  • The cited source is notoriously unreliable. Even the anti-Mormon Fanny Stenhouse wrote that Even the anti-Mormon Fanny Stenhouse wrote that the book "so mixed up fiction with what was true, that it was difficult to determine where one ended and the other began," and a good example of how "the autobiographies of supposed Mormon women were [as] unreliable" as other Gentile accounts, given her tendency to "mingl[e] facts and fiction" "in a startling and sensational manner." [1]
  • The authors' poor grasp of LDS historiography, and poor historical judgment is again manifest.


37

Claim
It is claimed that LDS missionaries to England "capitalized on the intolerable social and economic conditions" in order to gain converts.

Author's source(s)

Response

  •  Quotes another author's opinion as if it were fact
  • Brodie's claim oversimplifies a great deal. Charles Dickens described LDS immigrants as "the pick and flower of England." Immigration was also not a matter of instant financial benefits.
  • For a detailed response, see: Economics of LDS immigration


38

Claim
Quoting D. Michael Quinn, the author notes that Brigham said that women "have no right to meddle in the affairs of the Kingdom of God."

Author's source(s)

Response


38

Claim
The author claims that Brigham "commended his police for nearly beating to death an apostate within the walls of the temple.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  • Although the author provides no source for the claim, it is likely that this refers to the flogging of three men by Nauvoo Police.
  • For a detailed response, see: Flogging those out of fellowship?


38-39

Claim
The author mentions "the pending indictment of two leaders of the Church on counterfeiting charges..."

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  • Although the author provides no source for the claim, it is likely that this refers a critical claim that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins.
  • For a detailed response, see: Counterfeiting by the apostles at Nauvoo?


39

Claim
The author claims that "thousands of armed Mormons and Gentiles faced off" in Nauvoo.

Author's source(s)

  • No source provided.

Response

  •  Presentism or anachronism: Everyone on the frontier in 19th century America was armed—this was necessary for hunting and protection.
  • The Saints were driven out of Nauvoo by the threat of military force.


Notes


  1. ↑ Stenhouse, "Tell It All", x-xii, 618, the footnote on the latter page confirms the identity of the author as Ettie V. Smith, whose account supposedly formed the basis for Green's work.
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