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#{{note|ss.1}} Christopher Ailsby, ''SS: Hell on the Eastern Front: The Waffen-SS War in Russia, 1941-1945'' (Osceloa, WI: MBI Publishing Co., 1998), [http://books.google.ca/books?id=HAMd81LJJs4C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=%22cross-country+running%22+%22full+kit%22&source=bl&ots=UQHKPO0Sp_&sig=l1G51-Qi7kPCiWU46LrA6g3UEj4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UPOdT_H7AuiU2gX5osSaDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22cross-country%20running%22%20%22full%20kit%22&f=false p. 18] | #{{note|ss.1}} Christopher Ailsby, ''SS: Hell on the Eastern Front: The Waffen-SS War in Russia, 1941-1945'' (Osceloa, WI: MBI Publishing Co., 1998), [http://books.google.ca/books?id=HAMd81LJJs4C&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=%22cross-country+running%22+%22full+kit%22&source=bl&ots=UQHKPO0Sp_&sig=l1G51-Qi7kPCiWU46LrA6g3UEj4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UPOdT_H7AuiU2gX5osSaDw&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22cross-country%20running%22%20%22full%20kit%22&f=false p. 18] | ||
#{{note|henrie.1}} {{Book:McConkie:Remembering Joseph book|pages=Henrie, William account citing Callie O. Morley, "History of William and Myra Mayall Henrie, Pioneers of 1847 and 1847," Delta, West Millard County, Utah, October 1955, LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah, 4-5.}} | #{{note|henrie.1}} {{Book:McConkie:Remembering Joseph book|pages=Henrie, William account citing Callie O. Morley, "History of William and Myra Mayall Henrie, Pioneers of 1847 and 1847," Delta, West Millard County, Utah, October 1955, LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah, 4-5.}} | ||
Revision as of 22:07, 18 May 2014
Response to MormonThink page "Running with Gold Plates"
| Tithing | A FAIR Analysis of: MormonThink A work by author: Anonymous
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Joseph's Translation of the Bible |
- "Although the plates are often referred to as 'gold plates' they didn't necessary have to be made of pure gold"
- "It's inconceivable that anybody could run carrying a 50 lb. set of metal plates, jumping over logs and such and be able to outrun three men"
"Although the plates are often referred to as 'gold plates' they didn't necessary have to be made of pure gold"
MormonThink states...
"Critics of the church often use the weight of the plates as evidence that the Book of Mormon story is not true. They go through complex calculations to show how gold plates with the dimensions described by the witnesses must have weighed some 200 pounds.....Also pure gold would be too malleable to be useful for permanent engraving.....In this instance we disagree with the critics' premise. We don't feel that the plates had to be made of solid gold. Although the plates are often referred to as 'gold plates' they didn't necessary have to be made of pure gold."
"Critics of the church often use the weight of the plates as evidence that the Book of Mormon story is not true. They go through complex calculations to show how gold plates with the dimensions described by the witnesses must have weighed some 200 pounds.....Also pure gold would be too malleable to be useful for permanent engraving.....In this instance we disagree with the critics' premise. We don't feel that the plates had to be made of solid gold. Although the plates are often referred to as 'gold plates' they didn't necessary have to be made of pure gold."
FairMormon Response
Weight and size of the gold plates
Jump to details:
- Question: What material were the plates made from?
- Question: How much did the gold plates weigh?
- Question: What was the size of each of the gold plates?
- Question: What was the thickness of each gold plate?
- Question: What was the thickness of the entire volume of gold plates?
- Question: What were the characteristics of the rings which held the gold plates together?
- Question: Was the reported weight of the plates too heavy for Joseph to run with?
"It's inconceivable that anybody could run carrying a 50 lb. set of metal plates, jumping over logs and such and be able to outrun three men"
MormonThink states...
"How could any man, especially a man who had a slight limp run with a 50 pound weight and avoid capture by three assailants? The journey through the woods was about 3 miles as Joseph indicated above. It's inconceivable that anybody could run carrying a 50 lb. set of metal plates, jumping over logs and such and be able to outrun three men for some 1 to 2 miles that were bent on taking the plates from Joseph. And all this from a young man that had a slight limp and would have difficulty running at a high speed for a long distance - especially carrying a 50 lb. weight."
"How could any man, especially a man who had a slight limp run with a 50 pound weight and avoid capture by three assailants? The journey through the woods was about 3 miles as Joseph indicated above. It's inconceivable that anybody could run carrying a 50 lb. set of metal plates, jumping over logs and such and be able to outrun three men for some 1 to 2 miles that were bent on taking the plates from Joseph. And all this from a young man that had a slight limp and would have difficulty running at a high speed for a long distance - especially carrying a 50 lb. weight."
FairMormon Response
Weight and size of the gold plates
Jump to details:
- Question: What material were the plates made from?
- Question: How much did the gold plates weigh?
- Question: What was the size of each of the gold plates?
- Question: What was the thickness of each gold plate?
- Question: What was the thickness of the entire volume of gold plates?
- Question: What were the characteristics of the rings which held the gold plates together?
- Question: Was the reported weight of the plates too heavy for Joseph to run with?
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Notes
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- [note] Christopher Ailsby, SS: Hell on the Eastern Front: The Waffen-SS War in Russia, 1941-1945 (Osceloa, WI: MBI Publishing Co., 1998), p. 18
- [note] Mark L. McConkie, Remembering Joseph: Personal Recollections of Those Who Knew the Prophet Joseph Smith (Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Book Company, 2003), Henrie, William account citing Callie O. Morley, "History of William and Myra Mayall Henrie, Pioneers of 1847 and 1847," Delta, West Millard County, Utah, October 1955, LDS Church Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah, 4-5..(print version) ISBN 978-1570089633 GL direct link