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=An analysis of the Wikipedia article "Golden plates" {{WikipediaUpdate| | =An analysis of the Wikipedia article "Golden plates" {{WikipediaUpdate|9/21/2011}}= | ||
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===Receiving the plates=== | ===Receiving the plates=== | ||
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The next annual visit on September 22, 1827 would be, Smith told associates, his last chance to receive the plates. | The next annual visit on September 22, 1827 would be, Smith told associates, his last chance to receive the plates. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} | *{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}}. | ||
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*{{WikipediaCITE}}According to Joseph Knight, Joseph told him that he might obtain the plates on the next annual visit and that if not "he never would have them." The wiki editor has reworded this as "Smith told associates." | *{{WikipediaCITE}}According to Joseph Knight, Joseph told him that he might obtain the plates on the next annual visit and that if not "he never would have them." The wiki editor has reworded this as "Smith told associates." | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} (saying Lawrence was a seer, had been to the hill, and knew what was there). | *{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} (saying Lawrence was a seer, had been to the hill, and knew what was there). | ||
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*{{WikipediaCITE}}The cited source says nothing about Samuel Lawrence being "[a]nother of Smith's former treasure-hunting associates." According to Joseph Knight's account, | *{{WikipediaCITE}}The cited source says nothing about Samuel Lawrence being "[a]nother of Smith's former treasure-hunting associates." According to Joseph Knight's account, this is everything that he has to say about Samuel Lawrence: | ||
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I will say there [was] a man near By the name Samuel Lawrance. He was a Seear [Seer] and he had Bin to the hill and knew about the things in the hill and he was trying to obtain them. He [Joseph Smith] had talked with me and told me the Conversation he had with the personage which told him if he would Do right according to the will of God he mite obtain [the plate] the 22nt Day of September | I will say there [was] a man near By the name Samuel Lawrance. He was a Seear [Seer] and he had Bin to the hill and knew about the things in the hill and he was trying to obtain them. He [Joseph Smith] had talked with me and told me the Conversation he had with the personage which told him if he would Do right according to the will of God he mite obtain [the plate] the 22nt Day of September | ||
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Therefore, on the eve of September 22, 1827, the scheduled date for retrieving the plates, Smith dispatched his father to spy on Lawrence's house until dark. If Lawrence attempted to leave, the elder Joseph | Therefore, on the eve of September 22, 1827, the scheduled date for retrieving the plates, Smith dispatched his father to spy on Lawrence's house until dark. If Lawrence attempted to leave, the elder Joseph was to tell him that his son would "thrash the stumps with him" if he found him at the hill. | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} | *{{Harvtxt|Knight|1833|p=3}} | ||
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*{{ | *{{WikipediaCorrect}} | ||
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While Emma stayed | While Emma stayed behind kneeling in prayer, | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Harris|1853|p=164}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Harris|1853|p=164}}. | ||
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*{{ | *{{WikipediaCorrect}} | ||
*From the source, | |||
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Joseph took the horse and wagon of old Mr. Stowel, and taking his wife, he went to the place where the plates were concealed, and while he was obtaining them, she kneeled down and prayed. | Joseph took the horse and wagon of old Mr. Stowel, and taking his wife, he went to the place where the plates were concealed, and while he was obtaining them, she kneeled down and prayed. | ||
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*{{WikipediaCorrect}} | *{{WikipediaCorrect}} | ||
*The term "Urim and Thummim" was not applied to Joseph's seer stone until years later. Joseph used his seer stone to determine that the plates were safe. | |||
*From Lucy Mack Smiths 1853 manuscript, | *From Lucy Mack Smiths 1853 manuscript, | ||
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Just before Emma rode up to Mrs. Wells, Joseph, from an impression that he had had, came up out of the well in which he was labouring, and met her not far from the house. Emma immediately informed him of what had transpired, whereupon he looked in the Urim and Thummim, and saw that the Record was as yet safe; nevertheless, he concluded to return with his wife, as something might take place that would render it necessary for him to be at home where he could take care of it. | Just before Emma rode up to Mrs. Wells, Joseph, from an impression that he had had, came up out of the well in which he was labouring, and met her not far from the house. Emma immediately informed him of what had transpired, whereupon he looked in the Urim and Thummim, and saw that the Record was as yet safe; nevertheless, he concluded to return with his wife, as something might take place that would render it necessary for him to be at home where he could take care of it. | ||
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Later, Smith | Later, Smith told his mother he had taken the plates out of the chest, left the empty chest under the floor boards of the cooper shop, and hid the plates in a barrel of [[flax#Flax seed|flax]]. Shortly thereafter the empty box was discovered and the place ransacked by Smith's former treasure-seeking associates, | ||
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*{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=107–09}}; {{Harvtxt|Harris|1859|p=167}}. | *{{Harvtxt|Smith|1853|pp=107–09}}; {{Harvtxt|Harris|1859|p=167}}. | ||
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*{{WikipediaCITE}}The cited source does not call the mob "Smith's former treasure-seeking associates." This is inferred by the fact that Willard Chase's sister Sally attempted to locate the plates in the Cooper shop using a green stone. | *{{WikipediaCITE}}The cited source does not call the mob "Smith's former treasure-seeking associates." This is inferred by the fact that Willard Chase's sister Sally attempted to locate the plates in the Cooper shop using a green stone. | ||
* | *From Lucy Smith's 1853 manuscript, | ||
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In a short time Joseph received another intimation of the approach of a mob, also of the necessity of removing the Record and breast-plate from the place wherein they were secreted, consequently he took them out of the box in which they were placed, and wrapping them in clothes, carried them across the road to a cooper's shop, and laid then [them] in a quantity of flax which was stowed in the shop loft. After which he nailed up the box again, then tore up the floor of the shop, and put it under the same. | In a short time Joseph received another intimation of the approach of a mob, also of the necessity of removing the Record and breast-plate from the place wherein they were secreted, consequently he took them out of the box in which they were placed, and wrapping them in clothes, carried them across the road to a cooper's shop, and laid then [them] in a quantity of flax which was stowed in the shop loft. After which he nailed up the box again, then tore up the floor of the shop, and put it under the same. | ||
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