
FAIR is a non-profit organization dedicated to providing well-documented answers to criticisms of the doctrine, practice, and history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
m (→223, n97) |
(mod) |
||
Line 13: | Line 13: | ||
| | | | ||
====205 (HB,PB)==== | ====205 (HB,PB)==== | ||
||"Unrepentant abandonment to the 'lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life' (1 John 2:16) had caused Joseph's ruin; nothing more, nothing less." | || | ||
*{{AuthorQuote|"Unrepentant abandonment to the 'lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the boastful pride of life' (1 John 2:16) had caused Joseph's ruin; nothing more, nothing less."}} | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | *[[../../Loaded and prejudicial language|Loaded and prejudicial language]] | ||
Line 21: | Line 22: | ||
| | | | ||
====207, 548n12 (PB)==== | ====207, 548n12 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*The following is | *Did Willard Richards have Samuel Smith murdered to prevent any succession issues? | ||
*The | *Samuel's wife accused the Nauvoo Chief of Police: Hosea Stout. | ||
|| | |||
*The following is on page 548 in the endnote: "Although Quinn explains in great depth the various reasons why it is probable that Stout killed Samuel, he adds a word of caution: 'This troubling allegation should not be ignored but cannot be verified.'" | |||
*The book does not make clear how Samuel's wife's suspicion that Hosea Stout killed her husband relates to Willard Richards possibly having "gone so far as to have Samuel murdered." | |||
|| | || | ||
*{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=153}} | *{{CriticalWork:Quinn:Mormon Hierarchy|pages=153}} | ||
Line 30: | Line 33: | ||
| | | | ||
====207, 548n13 (PB)==== | ====207, 548n13 (PB)==== | ||
||" | || | ||
*Polygamy was "being enjoyed" by certain members of the Twelve Apostles at the time of Joseph's death. | |||
|| | || | ||
* Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.{{ref|gds.1}} | * Many more than the Twelve had taken plural wives. Thirty-three men had taken plural wives by the martyrdom.{{ref|gds.1}} | ||
Line 39: | Line 43: | ||
| | | | ||
==== | ====211, 549n27 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*{{AuthorQuote|"Mormon thieves, who regularly stole from non-Mormons..."}} | |||
*{{ | *The book claims that this had been a long-standing complaint about Saints in the area since eight issues of the ''Warsaw Signal'' published in late 1844 and early 1845 included articles related to "Mormon Thieves." | ||
|| | || | ||
Line 59: | Line 58: | ||
====211, 549n28 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n28 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Did Joseph Smith tell Porter Rockwell that "it was right to steal?" | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[Joseph Smith taught 'it was right to steal']] | *[[Joseph Smith taught 'it was right to steal']] | ||
Line 69: | Line 69: | ||
====211, 549n29 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n29 (PB)==== | ||
||Orson Hyde | || | ||
*Did Orson Hyde say that it was OK to "steal & be influenced by the spirit of the Lord to do it" as long as it was against non-Mormons? | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[../../Use of sources/Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal|Use of sources: Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal|Use of sources: Orson Hyde says spirit of Lord may influence to steal]] | ||
Line 78: | Line 79: | ||
====211, 549n31-34 (PB)==== | ====211, 549n31-34 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Did the Nauvoo police committ "many murders, vicious beatings, and intimidating assaults" against people that they thought to be enemies of the Church? | |||
|| | || | ||
*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Nauvoo police violence|Use of sources:Nauvoo police violence]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Nauvoo police violence|Use of sources:Nauvoo police violence]] | ||
Line 90: | Line 92: | ||
====212, 549n35-37 (PB)==== | ====212, 549n35-37 (PB)==== | ||
||"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout. | || | ||
*{{AuthorQuote|"Although the exact number of murders committed by Mormons between 1844 and 1846 remains unknown, it is certain that a majority of them were handled by Danites Porter Rockwell, Hosea Stout, and Allen Stout."}} | |||
|| | || | ||
* If the number of murders is unknown, how can we be 'certain' that these three men committed most of them? | * If the number of murders is unknown, how can we be 'certain' that these three men committed most of them? | ||
Line 104: | Line 107: | ||
====213, 549n38 (PB)==== | ====213, 549n38 (PB)==== | ||
||Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde | || | ||
*Did Heber C. Kimball and Orson Hyde order Nauvoo's police force to kill an apostate named Lambert Symes, who "subsequently disappeared without a trace?" | |||
|| | || | ||
*{{SourceDistortion}}: Indeed, Symes 'disappeared' so completely than there is no record of him ever existing! | *{{SourceDistortion}}: Indeed, Symes 'disappeared' so completely than there is no record of him ever existing! | ||
Line 115: | Line 119: | ||
====213, 550n41-43==== | ====213, 550n41-43==== | ||
||"Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge | || | ||
*Was "Mormon dissenter" Irvine Hodge "presumably" murdered by Nauvoo policemen because he threatened to "expose every Mormon who had been involved in stealing from non-Mormons" and threatened to harm Brigham Young and a Nauvoo policeman? | |||
|| | || | ||
*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Irvine Hodge murder|Use of sources: Irvine Hodge murder]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Irvine Hodge murder|Use of sources: Irvine Hodge murder]] | ||
Line 126: | Line 131: | ||
====213, 550n44-45 (PB)==== | ====213, 550n44-45 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Were members of the Council of Fifty responsible for committing murders? | |||
|| | || | ||
*{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty|Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty]] | *{{SourceDistortion}}: [[../../Use of sources/Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty|Other homicides by members of the Council of Fifty]] | ||
Line 138: | Line 144: | ||
====213, 550n44 (PB)==== | ====213, 550n44 (PB)==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Was Jonathan Dunham killed because he had "ignored the prophet's direct order to lead the Nauvoo Legion in a rescue at Carthage Jail?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* {{Forgery}} | * {{Forgery}} | ||
Line 149: | Line 156: | ||
====214, 550n46==== | ====214, 550n46==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Did Nauvoo Police Chief Hosea Stout have three men flogged because they "were not in good fellowship?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Flogging those out of fellowship|Flogging those out of fellowship]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Flogging those out of fellowship|Flogging those out of fellowship]] | ||
Line 159: | Line 167: | ||
====214, 550n49-51==== | ====214, 550n49-51==== | ||
||" | || | ||
*Were outsiders who were not "murdered or severely beaten" instead "whittled" out of town by Brigham's 'Whistling and Whittling Brigade?'" | |||
*Was the "Whistling and Whittling Brigade" a "violent gang of Mormons" that were "in good standing with the church?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Whistling and Whittling Brigades|Whistling and Whittling Brigades]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Whistling and Whittling Brigades|Whistling and Whittling Brigades]] | ||
Line 172: | Line 182: | ||
====216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)<br>550n62-65 (PB)==== | ====216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)<br>550n62-65 (PB)==== | ||
||Government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins | || | ||
*Do Government records indicate that Brigham Young, Willard Richards, Parley Pratt, and Orson Hyde were involved in making counterfeit coins? | |||
*Did that practice start "under Joseph's leadership?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph|Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph|Counterfeiting apostles and Joseph]] | ||
Line 185: | Line 197: | ||
====217==== | ====217==== | ||
||Brigham | || | ||
*Did Brigham chose to start the exodus westward early because he was faced with the possibility of counterfeiting charges? | |||
|| | || | ||
* The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../Use_of_sources/Counterfeiting_apostles_and_Joseph|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted. | * The counterfeiting charges were likely [[../../Use_of_sources/Counterfeiting_apostles_and_Joseph|a ploy]] to ensure that the Mormons left Nauvoo in 1846 as promised. Young's announcement that he would head west sent the message that they would not linger, which is what the local anti-Mormons wanted. | ||
Line 196: | Line 209: | ||
====220, 553n77 (HB)==== | ====220, 553n77 (HB)==== | ||
||Brigham "proudly admitted" "'I have been your dictator for twenty-seven years--over a quarter of a century I have dictated this people.'" | || | ||
*Brigham "proudly admitted" "'I have been your dictator for twenty-seven years--over a quarter of a century I have dictated this people.'" | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham, the Dictator|Use of sources: Brigham, the Dictator]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Brigham, the Dictator|Use of sources: Brigham, the Dictator]] | ||
Line 204: | Line 218: | ||
| | | | ||
====221-222, 551n84-87==== | ====221-222, 551n84-87==== | ||
||Latter-day Saints | || | ||
*Do Latter-day Saints believe that "they were the only ones with a legitimate right to be stewards of the Lord's property—i.e., all creation. Gentiles, on the other hand, because they had no claim to the earth, would have to give up to the Saints what they mistakenly viewed as their property?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Gentiles_have_no_right_to_property|Gentiles have no right to property?]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Gentiles_have_no_right_to_property|Gentiles have no right to property?]] | ||
Line 215: | Line 230: | ||
====222, 554n88 (HB)==== | ====222, 554n88 (HB)==== | ||
||Brigham | || | ||
*Did Brigham claim that God's kingdom had already come when he said: "[T]hat Kingdom is actually organized, and the inhabitants of earth do not [even] know it," | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and the Kingdom of God|Use of sources: Brigham and the Kingdom of God]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Brigham and the Kingdom of God|Use of sources: Brigham and the Kingdom of God]] | ||
Line 223: | Line 239: | ||
| | | | ||
====222, 554n89 (HB)==== | ====222, 554n89 (HB)==== | ||
||Brigham said: "[W]e will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth." | || | ||
*Brigham said: "[W]e will roll on the Kingdom of our God, gather out the seed of Abraham, build the cities and temples of Zion, and establish the Kingdom of God to bear rule over all the earth." | |||
|| | || | ||
*[[../../Use of sources/Ruling Over the Earth|Use of sources: Ruling Over the Earth]] | *[[../../Use of sources/Ruling Over the Earth|Use of sources: Ruling Over the Earth]] | ||
Line 232: | Line 249: | ||
====223, 552n94==== | ====223, 552n94==== | ||
|| | || | ||
*Did salvation depend upon obedience to Brigham Young? | |||
*When Mary Ettie V. Smith recalled asked Brigham, "are you my Saviour?" she claims that Brigham said, "Most assuredly I am....You cannot enter the Celestial kingdom, except by my consent. Do you doubt it?" | |||
|| | || | ||
* [[../../Use of sources/Ettie V. Smith|Ettie V. Smith]] | * [[../../Use of sources/Ettie V. Smith|Ettie V. Smith]] |
Claims made in "Chapter 9: March to Martyrdom" | A FAIR Analysis of: Criticism of Mormonism/Books A work by author: Richard Abanes
|
Claims made in "Chapter 11: Bloody Brigham" |
Page | Claim | Response | Author's sources |
---|---|---|---|
205 (HB,PB) |
|
| |
207, 548n12 (PB) |
|
|
|
207, 548n13 (PB) |
|
|
|
211, 549n27 (PB) |
|
|
|
211, 549n28 (PB) |
|
|
|
211, 549n29 (PB) |
|
| |
211, 549n31-34 (PB) |
|
|
|
212, 549n35-37 (PB) |
|
|
|
213, 549n38 (PB) |
|
|
|
213, 550n41-43 |
|
|
|
213, 550n44-45 (PB) |
|
|
|
213, 550n44 (PB) |
|
|
|
214, 550n46 |
|
|
|
214, 550n49-51 |
|
|
|
216-217, 552n62-65 (HB)
|
|
|
|
217 |
|
|
|
220, 553n77 (HB) |
|
| |
221-222, 551n84-87 |
|
| |
222, 554n88 (HB) |
|
| |
222, 554n89 (HB) |
|
| |
223, 552n94 |
|
| |
223, 552n95 |
"[Brigham] also believed that one day soon he 'would himself become president of the United States, or dictate who should be president.'" |
| |
223, 552n96 |
John Taylor said "We used to have a difference between Church and State, but it is all one now..." |
| |
223, n97 |
"Mormon leaders ruled via a ruthlessly oppressive theocracy wherein they kept followers in line through violence and intimidation." |
|
|
224, 552n98 |
The Mormon Reformation was "one of the most violent periods in LDS history" where the Church "resorted to censorship of church critics, harsh disciplinary actions, and numerous murders committed at the behest of Young and other high-ranking Mormon officials." |
|
|
224 |
"Most of these homicides were directly related to the Latter-day Saint doctrine known as "Blood Atonement." |
|
Template code | Inserts this reference | Click to edit |
---|---|---|
{{To learn more box:responses to: 8: The Mormon Proposition}} | To learn more box:responses to: 8: The Mormon Proposition | edit |
{{To learn more box:''Under the Banner of Heaven''}} | To learn more about responses to: Under the Banner of Heaven | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Robert Price}} | To learn more about responses to: Robert Price | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ankerberg and Weldon}} | To learn more about responses to: Ankerberg and Weldon | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ashamed of Joseph}} | To learn more about responses to: Ashamed of Joseph | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Beckwith and Moser}} | To learn more about responses to: Beckwith and Moser | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Beckwith and Parrish}} | To learn more about responses to: Beckwith and Parrish | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Benjamin Park}} | To learn more about responses to: Benjamin Park | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bible versus Joseph Smith}} | To learn more about responses to: Bible versus Joseph Smith | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bible versus Book of Mormon}} | To learn more about responses to: Bible versus Book of Mormon | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: ''Big Love''}} | To learn more about responses to: Big Love | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Brett Metcalfe}} | To learn more about responses to: Brett Metcalfe | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bill Maher}} | To learn more about responses to: Bill Maher | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Bruce H. Porter}} | To learn more about responses to: Bruce H. Porter | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Carol Wang Shutter}} | To learn more about responses to: Carol Wang Shutter | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: CES Letter}} | To learn more about responses to: CES Letter | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Charles Larson}} | To learn more about responses to: Charles Larson | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Christopher Nemelka}} | To learn more about responses to: Christopher Nemelka | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Colby Townshed}} | To learn more about responses to: Colby Townshed | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Contender Ministries}} | To learn more about responses to: Contender Ministries | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Crane and Crane}} | To learn more about responses to: Crane and Crane | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: D. Michael Quinn}} | To learn more about responses to: D. Michael Quinn | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Dan Vogel}} | To learn more about responses to: Dan Vogel | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: David John Buerger}} | To learn more about responses to: David John Buerger | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: David Persuitte}} | To learn more about responses to: David Persuitte | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Denver Snuffer}} | To learn more about responses to: Denver Snuffer | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Dick Bauer}} | To learn more about responses to: Dick Bauer | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Duwayne R Anderson}} | To learn more about responses to: Duwayne R Anderson | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Earl Wunderli}} | To learn more about responses to: Earl Wunderli | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ed Decker}} | To learn more about responses to: Ed Decker | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Erikson and Giesler}} | To learn more about responses to: Erikson and Giesler | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ernest Taves}} | To learn more about responses to: Ernest Taves | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Fawn Brodie}} | To learn more about responses to: Fawn Brodie | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: George D Smith}} | To learn more about responses to: George D Smith | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Grant Palmer}} | To learn more about responses to: Grant Palmer | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Hank Hanegraaff}} | To learn more about responses to: Hank Hanegraaff | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Hurlbut-Howe}} | To learn more about responses to: Hurlbut-Howe | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: James Brooke}} | To learn more about responses to: James Brooke | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: James Spencer}} | To learn more about responses to: James Spencer | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: James White}} | To learn more about responses to: James White | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner}} | To learn more about responses to: Jerald and Sandra Tanner | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD}} | To learn more about responses to: Jesus Christ-Joseph Smith or Search for the Truth DVD | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: John Dehlin}} | To learn more about responses to: John Dehlin | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Jonathan Neville}} | To learn more about responses to: Jonathan Neville | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Kurt Van Gorden}} | To learn more about responses to: Kurt Van Gorden | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery}} | To learn more about responses to: Laura King Newell and Valeen Tippetts Avery | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne}} | To learn more about responses to: Loftes Tryk aka Lofte Payne | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Luke WIlson}} | To learn more about responses to: Luke WIlson | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Marquardt and Walters}} | To learn more about responses to: Marquardt and Walters | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Martha Beck}} | To learn more about responses to: Martha Beck | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Mcgregor Ministries}} | To learn more about responses to: Mcgregor Ministries | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: McKeever and Johnson}} | To learn more about responses to: McKeever and Johnson | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: New Approaches}} | To learn more about responses to: New Approaches to the Book of Mormon | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Abanes}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard Abanes | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard Van Wagoner}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard Van Wagoner | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling}} | To learn more about responses to: Richard and Joan Ostling | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Rick Grunger}} | To learn more about responses to: Rick Grunger | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Robert Ritner}} | To learn more about responses to: Robert Ritner | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Rod Meldrum}} | To learn more about responses to: Rod Meldrum | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Roger I Anderson}} | To learn more about responses to: Roger I Anderson | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Ronald V. Huggins}} | To learn more about responses to: Ronald V. Huggins | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Sally Denton}} | To learn more about responses to: Sally Denton | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Simon Southerton}} | To learn more about responses to: Simon Southerton | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Thomas Murphy}} | To learn more about responses to: Thomas Murphy | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Todd Compton}} | To learn more about responses to: Todd Compton | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Vernal Holley}} | To learn more about responses to: Vernal Holley | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Walter Martin}} | To learn more about responses to: Walter Martin | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Wesley Walters}} | To learn more about responses to: Wesley Walters | edit |
{{To learn more box:responses to: Will Bagley}} | To learn more about responses to: Will Bagley | edit |
FAIR is a non-profit organization dedicated to providing well-documented answers to criticisms of the doctrine, practice, and history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
We are a volunteer organization. We invite you to give back.
Donate Now