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|summary=A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?" | |summary=A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?" | ||
|sublink1=Question: Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated"? | |||
|sublink2=Question: When was the "Grammar and Alphabet of the Egyptian Language" produced? | |||
|sublink3=Question: Couldn't the "Egyptian Alphabet" have referred to the "reformed Egyptian" characters on the Anthon transcript? | |||
|sublink4=Question: Does anyone assert that the GAEL was an actual correlation between Egyptian and the explanations offered? | |||
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Joseph Smith and the Kinderhook plates
- Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
- Question: Why does History of the Church say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
- Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
- Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
- Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
- Question: Why is the statement in History of the Church written as if Joseph said it?
Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
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Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
Template loop detected: Question: What are the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Why does ''History of the Church'' say that Joseph Smith said "I have translated a portion of them..."?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph Smith attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates?
Template loop detected: Question: Did Joseph attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates using the "gift and power of God?"
Template loop detected: Question: What does Joseph's attempt to translate the Kinderhook Plates tell us about his "gift of translation?"
Template loop detected: Question: Why is the statement in ''History of the Church'' written as if Joseph said it?
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
Could the "Egyptian Alphabet" used in an attempt to translate the Kinderhook plates have actually been the Anthon transcript?
Summary: A non-Mormon made the following statement regarding the Kinderhook Plates: ""They were brought up and shown to Joseph Smith. He compared them in my presence with his Egyptian alphabet, which he took from the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated..." Why does the non-Mormon eyewitness say that the "Egyptian Alphabet" was "from the plates which the Book of Mormon was translated?"Accounts
Summary: A summary of all of the accounts of the recovery of the Kinderhook plates.Don Bradley, "‘President Joseph Has Translated a Portion’: Solving the Mystery of the Kinderhook Plates"
Don Bradley, Proceedings of the 2011 FAIR Conference, (August 2011)So, a larger conclusion that we can draw is that we’ve got both the smoking-gun – the GAEL that he uses to translate, and we’ve got an eyewitness. We know exactly how Joseph Smith attempted to translate from the Kinderhook plates and obtain the content that Clayton says he did. A larger conclusion, then, that we can draw is that Joseph Smith translated from the Kinderhook plates not by revelation, but by non-revelatory means.
Click here to view the complete article
To see citations to the critical sources for these claims, [[../CriticalSources|click here]]
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