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Chapter 7 |
Claims made in Chapter 6: The First Vision
149
Claim
- Oliver Cowdery's 1834 attempt at writing a history of the Church ignored the First Vision.
Author's source(s) - Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1945), 24-25. ( Index of claims )
149-150
Claim
- In 1832 Joseph had a revelation that said that a man could not see God without the priesthood.
Author's source(s) - D&C 84:21-22
- Doctrines of Salvation 1:4.
- D&C 84 says God not seen without priesthood
- See Quote mining—Doctrines of Salvation 1:4 to see how this quote was mined.
150
Claim
- There were no references to the First Vision in the 1830s.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
- The author's claim is false: No reference to First Vision in 1830s publications?
152
Claim
- Joseph's 1832 account mentions that he was in the 16th year of his age rather than the 15th.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
154
Claim
- The 1832 account only mentions one personage.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
156
Claim
- The personages in the 1835 version are not explicitly identified as God the Father and Jesus Christ.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
- History unclear or in error: The "Angels" of the 1835 account
157
Claim
- The 1835 account talks about a visitation of angels instead of the Father and Son.
Author's source(s) - Deseret News, vol. 2, no.15, May 29, 1852
- History of the Church 11:312
- The author's claim is false: The "Angels" of the 1835 account
159
Claim
- Joseph's claim of seeing the Father and the Son was not unique.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
- So what? Jesus' teaching of repentance was not unique either.
- One must assess the fruits of Joseph's prophetic ministry. How many of those who claimed visions also produced a 500+ page book in less than three months?
160
Claim
- Oliver Cowdery's 1834 history in the Messenger and Advocate did not mention the First Vision.
Author's source(s) - Latter Day Saint's Messenger and Advocate 1:42, Feb.1835.
- History unclear or in error: Oliver Cowdery not aware of First Vision in 1834-35
162
Claim
- "Mormon apologists are beginning to retreat from the idea that God the Father appeared to Joseph Smith"
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
- Absurd claim: This is an absurd claim on the part of the authors, with (as is usual with such things) no evidence presented.
- First Vision/Accounts
162-163
Claim
- The Book of Mormon teaches that there is only one God.
Author's source(s) Response
- Members of the Church believe that God is one. They also believe that more than one personage can be spoken of as God.
- Nature of God/Polytheism
164
Claim
- Brigham Young denied that the Lord came to Joseph Smith in the First Vision.
Author's source(s) - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 2:171.
- The author's claim is false: Brigham Young said the Lord didn't appear
164
Claim
- John Taylor claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision.
Author's source(s) - John Taylor, [[Journal of Discourses/20/{{{disc}}}#167|Journal of Discourses 20:167]].
- The author's claim is false: John Taylor's understanding of the First Vision
164
Claim
- George A. Smith claimed that an angel appeared during the First Vision.
Author's source(s) - George A. Smith, Journal of Discourses 12:333-334.
- The author's claim is false: First Vision/Accounts/George A. Smith said First Vision was an "angel"
166-171
Claim
- There was no revival in the area where Joseph Smith lived in 1820.
Author's source(s) - [ATTENTION!]
- History unclear or in error
- The author's claim is falseFirst Vision/Religious revivals in 1820