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==About this work==
==About this work==
{{Epigraph|There are no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.<br>&mdash;Paul Mosser and Carl Owen, "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?" ''Trinity Journal'', 1998.}}


Author: Richard Abanes
It is claimed that this book is an attempt to fill the void highlighted by Mosser and Owen. Unfortunately, what we find instead are the same misrepresentations and arguments that been offered in the past by anti-Mormon authors. There is nothing at all new here. This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper" (p. 213).
 
==Claims made in this work==
A list of claims indexed by page number made in ''Becoming Gods'' with links to the corresponding responses in the FAIRwiki may be found here: [[Becoming Gods/Index|Index to claims made in ''Becoming Gods: A Closer Look at 21st-Century Mormonism'']].


==Quote mining, selective quotation and distortion==
===Notable and Quotable===
{{QuoteDisclaimer}}
A summary of the painful manipulations required in order to circumscribe the meaning of the term "Christian" so that it excludes Latter-day Saints:


===Mormons believe in Celestial Sex?===
:''Many evangelical books offer little help. Some are strident or mocking.''
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, ''Becoming Gods'', p. 11
!width="5%"|Reference
!width="35%"|First the author says...
!width="35%"|The author then continues in the endnotes...
!width="25%"|[[Use of sources]]
|-
|331 n.35
||Mormons often seek to distance themselves and their church from a problematic past comment of an LDS leader by ... narrowly splitting terms in order to focus on a minor issue while dismissing the broader point that is being made by a critic of the church.
||For example, I have often spoken of the LDS belief in eternal "Celestial Sex" (i.e. the process by which Mormons believe they will procreate spirit children in eternity with their spouses, see chapter 6). But this has brought LDS criticisms because the actual phrase "Celestial Sex" is not used by LDS leaders&mdash;'''even though sexual union is how many Mormons believe they will procreate in the Celestial Kingdom'''.{{ea}}
||A search of the endnotes of Chapter 6 shows no references to 1982 anti-Mormon film ''The God Makers'', from which the offensive term "Celestial Sex" originated.
|}
'''Commentary'''
*The author speaks of the "LDS belief in 'Celestial Sex'" as a fact, yet this characterization is abhorrent and offensive to Latter-day Saints. The author continues by stating that "sexual union is how many Mormons believe they will procreate in the Celestial Kingdom." We challenge the author to provide support for this assertion. It is ironic that this is used as an example of Mormons "splitting terms" while "dismissing the broader point" raised by critics. The ''broader point'' is that LDS believe that they will be able to have spirit children if they achieve exaltation. The ''narrow point'' is the assignment of the ugly and offensive term "Celestial Sex" to this process&mdash;a term coined by Ed Decker in the 1982 anti-Mormon film [[The God Makers|''The God Makers'']].
{{parabreak}}


===Comparing population sizes at the beginning and end of a 1000-year period?===
:''Mormons do in fact seek salvation within the historical person known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth, as they see him.''
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, ''Becoming Gods'', p. 265
!width="5%"|Reference
!width="35%"|First the author says...
!width="35%"|The author then concludes...
!width="25%"|[[Use of sources]]
|-
|p. 69-70
||'''"LDS apologists and BYU professors are advocating''' a new ''unofficial'' opinion that Lehi and his people represented only a ''' 'small band' ''' of Israelites, compared to a larger population of indigenous people in the New world."
||"'''But according to Mormon 1:7''' in the Book of Mormon, '''the Nephite and Lamanite populations were hardly small''': "The whole face of the land had become covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous almost, as it were the sand of the sea [about A.D. 322]."
||*Jeffrey Meldrum, "The Children of Lehi: DNA and the ''Book of Mormon'', lecture at the 2003 FAIR Conference, aug. 8, 2003.
|}
'''Commentary'''
*The author seems to believe that the proposition that Lehi's small group intermingled with a larger population of Native Americans in approximately 600 B.C. is somehow contradicted and invalidated by the fact that the population was as numerous as "the sand of the sea" in A.D. 322, ''almost 1000 years later''. The logic behind this comparison is elusive. If anything, the idea that Lehi's group mingled with an existing population ''supports'' the idea that they would become quite numerous over a long period of time.
{{parabreak}}


===The Book of Commandments was printed?===
:''This does not mean that Mormons are "Christian" in an objective theological sense. It merely means there exists no other category in which they can be placed. Allowing for the broad viewpoint, however, opens up a large can of worms. What about the Branch Davidians, who called themselves "Christian" but stored illegal weapons, abused children, and murdered law enforcement officers? What about The Family, a "Christian" group that currently engages in premarital "sharing" with multiple partners and allows adultery with consent? How about so-called "Christian" witches? There are also a significant number of liberal "Christians"...who deny the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, and Christ's physical resurrection. And let us not forget "Christian" nudists.''
{| valign="top" border="1" style="width:100%; font-size:85%"
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, ''Becoming Gods'', p. 265
!width="5%"|Reference
!width="35%"|The author says...
!width="35%"|What the author puts in the endnotes...
!width="25%"|[[Use of sources]]
|-
|p. 84
||[The revelations] were subsequently arranged, edited by Smith for accuracy, then printed as ''A Book of Commandments (1833)''. But because very few copies of the ''Book of Commandments'' were produced, it remained unavailable to most Mormons. So in 1835 LDS leaders republished the revelations. But by that time the declarations were showing their age. Many contained outdated information. Some included erroneous statements. Others presented abandoned doctrines. A few of the revelations simply revealed too much information about LDS beliefs...
||(p. 370 n.9)The press that printed the sheets of revelations was destroyed by an anti-Mormon mob. The sheets, scattered in the streets, were gathered up and assembled into a 160-page book.
||
*Joseph Smith's diary, Dec. 1, 1832, "[I] wrote and corrected revelations &c."
*Dean Jessee, PJS, vol. 2, p. 4
|}
'''Commentary'''
*The author's tendency to spin a statement in the main text and then provide crucial clarification in the endnotes at the back of the book is on display here. In the main text, the author makes it appear as if the ''Book of Commandments'' was successfully printed and distributed, but that it was unavailable to most Church members because there were "very few copies." Then, just ''two years'' later, the revelations were supposed to be "showing their age" for a variety of reasons.
*See also: [[Doctrine and Covenants textual changes]]


==Endnotes==
:''So if Daniel Peterson and Barry Bickmore, for example, have no problem being called "heretical Christians," then I have no problem obliging them.''
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, ''Becoming Gods'', p. 266


==Reviews of this work==
:''When it comes to whether or not Mormons are Christian, a simple yes or no answer will never do.''
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, ''Becoming Gods'', p. 279


{{SpecificAuthorsAndWorks}}
:'''Appeals Court Rules Mormon Church Is Outside Protestant Christian Faith.''' ''This ruling clearly agrees that Mormonism is outside Protestantism. And Mormonism is certainly not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. The ruling, of course, fails to answer the question: What is Mormonism? Given the fact that it is not ''Roman Catholic'', or ''Eastern Orthodox'', or ''Protestant'', one can naturally extrapolate that Mormonism is not Christian.
:&mdash;Richard Abanes, blog post "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Christian,"  October 9, 2008.
:(The following day, October 10, in response to a reader comment, the title of the blog entry was changed to read "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Protestant." One poster compared the logic presented with the following: "And given the fact that San Diego is not Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Sacramento, one can naturally extrapolate that San Diego is not in California.")

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Learn more about responses to: Richard Abanes
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  • Craig L. Foster, "'Doing Violence to Journalistic Integrity (Review of ''Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of a Violent Faith by Jon Krakauer)'," FARMS Review 16/1 (2004). [149–174] link
  • Michael G. Reed, "Abanes's Revised History (Review of One Nation Under Gods: A History of the Mormon Church)," FARMS Review 16/1 (2004). [99–110] link
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Response to "Becoming Gods: A Closer Look at 21st-Century Mormonism"

Summary: NOTE: This book was re-issued in 2007 under the title "Inside Today's Mormonism."


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Becoming Gods

Response to claims made in Becoming Gods: A Closer Look at 21st-Century Mormonism by Richard Abanes

Summary: This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Preface: Can't We All Just Get Along?"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 1: God's Latter-Day Prophet"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 2: And it Came to Pass"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 3: Thus Saith Joseph"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 4: One God Versus Many Gods"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 5: Heavenly Father is a Man"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 6: Siblings from Eternity Past"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 7: After All We Can Do"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 8: Ye Are Gods"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 9: More Than One Wife"


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Response to claims made in Becoming Gods, "Chapter 10: The 'Christian' Question"


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Use of sources

Summary: An examination and response to how the author of Becoming Gods: A Closer Look at 21st-Century Mormonism interprets the sources used to support this work, indexed by page number.


About this work

There are no books from an evangelical perspective that responsibly interact with contemporary LDS scholarly and apologetic writings.
—Paul Mosser and Carl Owen, "Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics and Evangelical Neglect: Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?" Trinity Journal, 1998.

It is claimed that this book is an attempt to fill the void highlighted by Mosser and Owen. Unfortunately, what we find instead are the same misrepresentations and arguments that been offered in the past by anti-Mormon authors. There is nothing at all new here. This book could best be described as an Evangelical apologetic work against Mormonism. The book spends much time refuting LDS interpretation of scriptural passages in the Bible, often claiming that Mormons have misinterpreted the scriptures and that they require "deeper study." In fact, it is claimed that LDS scholars have only a superficial knowledge of the scriptures, at one time stating that "[p]roperly interpreting them is not as simple as reading today's newspaper" (p. 213).

Notable and Quotable

A summary of the painful manipulations required in order to circumscribe the meaning of the term "Christian" so that it excludes Latter-day Saints:

Many evangelical books offer little help. Some are strident or mocking.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 11
Mormons do in fact seek salvation within the historical person known to the world as Jesus of Nazareth, as they see him.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
This does not mean that Mormons are "Christian" in an objective theological sense. It merely means there exists no other category in which they can be placed. Allowing for the broad viewpoint, however, opens up a large can of worms. What about the Branch Davidians, who called themselves "Christian" but stored illegal weapons, abused children, and murdered law enforcement officers? What about The Family, a "Christian" group that currently engages in premarital "sharing" with multiple partners and allows adultery with consent? How about so-called "Christian" witches? There are also a significant number of liberal "Christians"...who deny the virgin birth, the deity of Jesus, and Christ's physical resurrection. And let us not forget "Christian" nudists.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 265
So if Daniel Peterson and Barry Bickmore, for example, have no problem being called "heretical Christians," then I have no problem obliging them.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 266
When it comes to whether or not Mormons are Christian, a simple yes or no answer will never do.
—Richard Abanes, Becoming Gods, p. 279
Appeals Court Rules Mormon Church Is Outside Protestant Christian Faith. This ruling clearly agrees that Mormonism is outside Protestantism. And Mormonism is certainly not Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. The ruling, of course, fails to answer the question: What is Mormonism? Given the fact that it is not Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox, or Protestant, one can naturally extrapolate that Mormonism is not Christian.
—Richard Abanes, blog post "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Christian," October 9, 2008.
(The following day, October 10, in response to a reader comment, the title of the blog entry was changed to read "Mormonism LEGALLY Declared Not Protestant." One poster compared the logic presented with the following: "And given the fact that San Diego is not Los Angeles, or San Francisco, or Sacramento, one can naturally extrapolate that San Diego is not in California.")
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