Detailed response to CES Letter, First Vision: Revision history

13 April 2024

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18 May 2023

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12 May 2023

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26 April 2023

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• curprev 16:0816:08, 26 April 2023‎ SpencerMarsh talk contribs‎ 51,613 bytes +1‎ →‎Response to claim: "In the 1832 account, Joseph said that before praying he knew that there was no true or living faith or denomination upon the earth"
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20 November 2020

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25 January 2020

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27 December 2019

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26 August 2019

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20 August 2019

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20 July 2019

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