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Mormonismus betreffende Fälschungen/Kinderhook Platten: Unterschied zwischen den Versionen
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==Frage== | ==Frage== | ||
Wie soll man sich folgende Dinge erklären, wenn man nach gegenwärtigem HLT Glauben davon ausgeht, dass die Kinderhook Platten ein Betrug waren? | |||
* Warum erlaubte Joseph Smith der "Times and Seasons", sich so stark auf die Platten zu konzentrieren (die Zeitung widmete dem Thema sieben ganze Seiten während die Platten in Nauvoo waren)? | |||
William Clayton war mit Joseph Smith an dem Tag zusammen, an dem er die Kinderhook Platten begutachtete({{IntimateChronicle1|start=100}}). | |||
* In a letter written from that city, dated 2 May 1843, Charlotte Haven said that when Joshua Moore "showed them to Joseph, the latter said that the figures or writing on them was similar to that in which the Book of Mormon was written, and if Mr. Moore could leave them, he thought that by the help of revelation he would be able to translate them." (''Overland Monthly'' (December 1890): 630). This provides evidence that others based the assumption Smith translated the plates did not come from William Clayton. | * In a letter written from that city, dated 2 May 1843, Charlotte Haven said that when Joshua Moore "showed them to Joseph, the latter said that the figures or writing on them was similar to that in which the Book of Mormon was written, and if Mr. Moore could leave them, he thought that by the help of revelation he would be able to translate them." (''Overland Monthly'' (December 1890): 630). This provides evidence that others based the assumption Smith translated the plates did not come from William Clayton. | ||
* William Clayton's diary account says that he dined with the Prophet the night he gave his opinion on the plates. | * William Clayton's diary account says that he dined with the Prophet the night he gave his opinion on the plates. | ||
* Brigham Young approved the history of Joseph Smith. Moreover, he was at Joseph Smith's house and saw the plates there. | * Brigham Young approved the history of Joseph Smith. Moreover, he was at Joseph Smith's house and saw the plates there. | ||
[[Image:KinderhookPlates.jpg|frame|left|Image{{ref|image1}} of front and back of four of the six Kinderhook plates are shown in these facsimiles (rough copies of even earlier published facsimiles), which appeared in 1909 in {{HC|vol=5|start=374|end=375}}]] | [[Image:KinderhookPlates.jpg|frame|left|Image{{ref|image1}} of front and back of four of the six Kinderhook plates are shown in these facsimiles (rough copies of even earlier published facsimiles), which appeared in 1909 in {{HC|vol=5|start=374|end=375}}]] | ||
==Antwort== | ==Antwort== | ||
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The ''History of the Church'' account of Joseph translating the plates was not written by Joseph, but is the work of an editor who, following Joseph's death, reworked William Clayton's entry and wrote it as if Joseph Smith had spoken it.{{ref|hc1}} This was common historical practice at the time, but does not provide any additional evidence for Joseph's attitude toward the plates.{{ref|kimball1}} | The ''History of the Church'' account of Joseph translating the plates was not written by Joseph, but is the work of an editor who, following Joseph's death, reworked William Clayton's entry and wrote it as if Joseph Smith had spoken it.{{ref|hc1}} This was common historical practice at the time, but does not provide any additional evidence for Joseph's attitude toward the plates.{{ref|kimball1}} | ||
== | ==Schlussfolgerung== | ||
The best argument against Joseph's attempt to translated the Kinderhook plates is most likely that no one said anything about it at the time. A trap was laid for Joseph, but he did not step into it. Decades later, with Joseph safely dead, the conspirators came forward and announced they had 'tricked' the prophet. But, if they wanted to show Joseph up, why wait for decades to do it? Why didn't they crow their success from the rooftops in Nauvoo and Illinois? Quite simply, Joseph didn't fall for their trap, and so there was nothing to announce. | The best argument against Joseph's attempt to translated the Kinderhook plates is most likely that no one said anything about it at the time. A trap was laid for Joseph, but he did not step into it. Decades later, with Joseph safely dead, the conspirators came forward and announced they had 'tricked' the prophet. But, if they wanted to show Joseph up, why wait for decades to do it? Why didn't they crow their success from the rooftops in Nauvoo and Illinois? Quite simply, Joseph didn't fall for their trap, and so there was nothing to announce. | ||
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All we can conclude from the Clayton account is that there was considerable interest in the plates, a variety of stories concerning them, and anticipation that Joseph might translate, as the conspirators claimed they hoped he would. | All we can conclude from the Clayton account is that there was considerable interest in the plates, a variety of stories concerning them, and anticipation that Joseph might translate, as the conspirators claimed they hoped he would. | ||
== | ==Fußnoten== | ||
#{{note|image1}}{{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | #{{note|image1}}{{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | ||
#{{note|clayton1}} William Clayton Diary, 1 May 1842. Printed in {{IntimateChronicle1|start=100}} | #{{note|clayton1}} William Clayton Diary, 1 May 1842. Printed in {{IntimateChronicle1|start=100}} | ||
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#{{note|kimball1}} See discussion in {{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | #{{note|kimball1}} See discussion in {{Ensign|author=Stanley B. Kimball|article=Kinderhook Plates Brought to Joseph Smith Appear to Be a Nineteenth-Century Hoax|vol=11|num=8|date=August 1981|start=66|end=74}}{{link|url=http://library.lds.org/library/lpext.dll/ArchMagazines/Ensign/1981.htm/ensign%20august%201981.htm/kinderhook%20plates%20brought%20to%20joseph%20smith%20appear%20to%20be%20a%20nineteenthcentury%20hoax.htm}} | ||
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